CotI Project: Technologies

[rancke]

I stand corrected - that's something I didn't hear about. I was going by the 2009 sequencing info, which said, "no" by virtue of a MRCA being in Africa... but the 2010 study says maybe. Interesting.
(And the 2009 DNA study saying no is mention offhandedly in both the NBC and NatGeo articles.)

Either way would work for the OTU. If Neanderthals had not diverged enough to be a separate species, there may be one or more minor human races out there that are descended from them and who may or may not have diverged enough after being removed from Earth to be different hominid[*] species. If they had diverged enough on Earth, they might still not have diverged that much 300,000 years ago, so the situation remains the same. And if they had diverged enough 300,000 years ago, there may still be one or more populations of them out there.

[*] In Imperial scientific parlance, 'hominid' is used for human races that are not interfertile with the existing variants of Homo sapiens, even though Homo sapiens are all hominids too. [GT:Humaniti]​

The real problem we have right now (if we allow it to be a problem for us) is that whichever answer we decide on for the OTU may turn out to be wrong for the Real Universe.


Hans

 

[Dragoner]

IMTU, archaic Homo Sapiens went extinct around the time of the Toba Event and it is an unknown ancestor that scientists call Homo Sapien Intercedent that returned around 70,000 years ago (carrying some genetic tweaks from the ancients like the improved FOXP2 gene) that repopulated the Earth. That rids us of the pesky "parallel evolution" fallacy.

It also totally destroys the Solomani myth. :devil:

 

[mike wightman]

Simple explanation combining rw science (as of last tuesday ) and the OTU

The Ancients came to Earth and transplanted humans 300,000 years ago.

In existance at the time there were 3 intelligent branches of hominids - the denisovians, the neanderthals and the one that actually became us (call them homo heidelbergians or whatever - the term I prefer is homo sapiens archaic).

The Ancients hybridised them and took the hybrids to the stars, while back on earth the dominant genes of the few experimental hybrids left behind hybrids eventually led to us.

 

[rancke]

Simple explanation combining rw science (as of last tuesday ) and the OTU

The Ancients came to Earth and transplanted humans 300,000 years ago.

In existance at the time there were 3 intelligent branches of hominids - the denisovians, the neanderthals and the one that actually became us (call them homo heidelbergians or whatever - the term I prefer is homo sapiens archaic).

The term used in GT:Humaniti is Homo sapiens antiquus.


Hans

 

[77topaz]

Tech levels appear to go up even further than 22... apparently Yaskoydray had at least TL 35 - http://traveller.wikia.com/wiki/Matter_Transport/secret
(would that be X, Y or Z in UWP code? There's the issue of including I as TL 18, which some sources do and some don't (going straight from H-17 to J-18, likely to avoid confusion with TL 1.)