CT vs. MGT Character Gen
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It does seem like it. Again, individual groups can vary. There was one character who had 18 levels in 7 terms (after subtracting the non-rolled levels) and another who had exactly 7.
Now, in terms of separate skills written on the character sheet, MGT probably does give more than CT...but a lot of them are zero-level skills.
Allen
mike wightman
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This is a good thing IMHO.
In my CT house system characters get lvl 0 in every skill in the personal development and service skills tables as default, plus a lvl 0 skill in an advanced education table skill per term.
MgT seems to give about exactly what I want players to have by the rules
In my CT house system characters get lvl 0 in every skill in the personal development and service skills tables as default, plus a lvl 0 skill in an advanced education table skill per term.
MgT seems to give about exactly what I want players to have by the rules
Gruffty
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I've just been looking at chargen and skills in Book1 (2ed) and I'd like some clarification, please.
All of the Rank and Service Skills on p. 15 of LBB 1 are at Level-1. Could someone please explain how this works with regards to Level-0 skills and characters who already have the Rank and Service Skill at Level-1 or higher?
If my Merchant character has Pilot-1 already, and is promoted to 1st Officer (Rank 4) he gets a further Pilot-1 as a Rank and Service skill. Does this mean: "add another level to your Pilot-1 skill to make it Pilot-2" or does it mean "if you have Pilot-1 or greater already, the Pilot-1 skill you gain for being promoted to Captain is wasted. Tough luck, chunky."? Equally, how does this apply to Level-0 skills?
Answers on the back of used, unmarked £ 50 notes to the usual address please.....
All of the Rank and Service Skills on p. 15 of LBB 1 are at Level-1. Could someone please explain how this works with regards to Level-0 skills and characters who already have the Rank and Service Skill at Level-1 or higher?
If my Merchant character has Pilot-1 already, and is promoted to 1st Officer (Rank 4) he gets a further Pilot-1 as a Rank and Service skill. Does this mean: "add another level to your Pilot-1 skill to make it Pilot-2" or does it mean "if you have Pilot-1 or greater already, the Pilot-1 skill you gain for being promoted to Captain is wasted. Tough luck, chunky."? Equally, how does this apply to Level-0 skills?
Answers on the back of used, unmarked £ 50 notes to the usual address please.....
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The difference is probably eaten up in attributes and bad rolls.
far-trader
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Sorry, no used £ 50 notes handy, and given the mail you might not get the answer
So, the way I've always done it is treat it like every other skill, that is it adds. So Level-0 becomes Level-1, Level-1 becomes Level-2.
Now, given that, I'm willing to see that it was meant to only be an assigning of the skill at Level-1 and no benefit if already Level-1 or better but I don't think it was ever explicitly explained to operate that way.
EDIT: I was hoping the example character might clear it up, but no, Capt. Jamison got his rank Pilot-1 before getting the skill on a table, so no help there. Another example of an example that could and should have been made to make that clear.
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mike wightman
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I've always added the automatic skills to any the character has already picked up.
So if you already have pilot 1, get promoted, and gain an automatic pilot 1 this increases your skill to 2.
So if you already have pilot 1, get promoted, and gain an automatic pilot 1 this increases your skill to 2.
Supplement Four
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Let's face it. You just don't like me or what I have to say, and when I post, you dislike it so much that you just have to read it--like not being able to take your eyes off of a car wreck.
I mean, I didn't mention anything about MGT not being successful in my post--I said it could have seen more success...
Wow, that does surprise me. I actually thought my opinion of MGT was a HUGE deal in your world. In fact, I think you won't even make a decision on your own! I think you've got to read what I think of it before you make up your mind!
Geez.
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Gruffty
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It does actually. He gets the automatic Pilot-1 for being promoted to 1st Officer in term 4, then he gets Pilot skill in term 5, giving him Pilot-2.
Thanks for the pointer, Dan!
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far-trader
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Yes I saw that, but it doesn't answer the question of is the rank skill an add or just a skill-1 total. IF the example had given him Pilot-1 (rolled as skill) before his promotion to 1st Officer then it would have answered the question, either by bumping or not his Pilot-1 to Pilot-2.
EDIT: Relating this to MGT can someone clarify, I'd heard that MGT had rank skill awards that were a specifically assigned level of skill and not an add. IF that is the case, AND they had official direction on that from Marc, it could be a hint that it was also intended that way in CT.
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Supplement Four
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I believe the official CT way to do this is not so generous.
The rules state that Skill-0 should not be used as a stepping stone to Skill-1.
So, if your a character has Pilot-0 (for some reason) and earns Pilot-1, then the result is Pilot-1.
If your Merchant character already has Pilot-1, then earns a promotion where he could be awarded Pilot-1, then he is not upgraded to Pilot-2. He simply stays at Pilot-1 (and does not really benefit from that aspect of the promotion because the character already had the skill being awarded...note that Pilot-2 wasn't being awarded).
Sorry, but that's the Mongoose way, not the CT way. Tho I can see where mongoose might have gotten it, it's not explicit in TTB, though due to the notation conventions, it can be reasonably extrapolated.
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Supplement Four
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OK, what's your evidence that it's not the CT way?
"Upon being promoted, a character becomes eligible for one skill" (TTB, page 18)
"Some skills are automatically automatically acquired by a character (without using eligibility) by virtue of rank or service. These automatic skills are listed on the rank and service skills table. At the point when the character achieves the indicated rank or service, he or she gets the indicated skill" (TTB, also page 18)
The only thing I have found in CT so far that deals with skills being limited by previous skill level is on page 9 of Book 4, Mercenary, which deals with Multiple School Assignments:
"Players who receive several assignments to the same school are considered to be taking refresher courses and may attempt to again to recelive each of the listed skills, unless a player upon receiving such an assignment already has a skill level of 2 or higher in any one skill offered by the school. In this case, the player is assigned to the school as an instructor and receives one automatic Instruction skill."
(Of course it actually goes to the character, not the player, but hey..if it did go to the player you could always redirect it from the current character to some other character you have...<g>).
These are the only things I could find that had to do with this subject.
Allen
"Some skills are automatically automatically acquired by a character (without using eligibility) by virtue of rank or service. These automatic skills are listed on the rank and service skills table. At the point when the character achieves the indicated rank or service, he or she gets the indicated skill" (TTB, also page 18)
The only thing I have found in CT so far that deals with skills being limited by previous skill level is on page 9 of Book 4, Mercenary, which deals with Multiple School Assignments:
"Players who receive several assignments to the same school are considered to be taking refresher courses and may attempt to again to recelive each of the listed skills, unless a player upon receiving such an assignment already has a skill level of 2 or higher in any one skill offered by the school. In this case, the player is assigned to the school as an instructor and receives one automatic Instruction skill."
(Of course it actually goes to the character, not the player, but hey..if it did go to the player you could always redirect it from the current character to some other character you have...<g>).
These are the only things I could find that had to do with this subject.
Allen
Supplement Four
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Exactly correct. The character gets the indicated skill. If the skill is Pilot-1, then that's what the gets: Pilot-1.
If the character already had Pilot-1, he does not get an increase to Pilot-2.
If that was intended, the position would read "+ Pilot" or something like that, indicating that an extra pilot skill was awarded (as is done for the stats).
GypsyComet
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Except that such a notation is not used anywhere in CT that I've seen.
"Some skills are automatically acquired by a character (without using eligibility) by virtue of rank or service. These automatic skills are listed on the rank and service skills table. At the point when the character achieves the indicated rank or service, he or she gets the indicated skill" (TTB, page 18)
"There are a finite number of skills listed, and it is possible that one specific skill may be acquired more than once; in such cases, the second acquisition increases the character's expertise in that skill." (TTB, page 21)
"The second time the skill is acquired, the number is increased to show greater expertise" (TTB, also page 21)
Remember, in early RPG writing, subtle semantic interpretations rarely win over obvious ones.
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if that were true, then everyone I know who has ever played CT, including the guy that got me into RPGs by getting me to roll up a Traveller character in the first place, has been doing this wrong for 30 years. I somehow doubt that. You are THE only person who I have ever seen make this assertion anywhere.
Allen
Rhialto the Marvelous
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Gee, looks like people have warmed to talking about CT in this MGT thread after all.
