Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
[slap]Originally posted by ravs:
Yeah, yeah, Boulton....do some deck plans of that lovely highport you posted and then you can talk!
Ravs
Deckplan Challenge - Contest
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Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
My point is, it's hard to judge your design if it doesn't actually use a valid set of rules.
But...challenge accepted:
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Minicraft, x class Minicraft (FF&S v2)
Designed by AB
Statistics
Tons: 2std ( SL Medium Box Transonic ) Crew: 1/1 Cargo: 0std (0/00)
Volume: 28m3 Passengers High/Med: 0/5 Cost: 3.9 MCr
Mass (L/C): 41t/40t Passengers Low: 0 Maintenance Points: 1
Dimensions: 4.8m x 2.4m x 2.4m Troops/Science: 0/0 Tech Level: 13
Size: 6 Frozen Watch: 0
Electronics
Controls: Holographic, High automation. 2xComp (CM:1.0 CP:1.0). Terrain following sensors (TF:510, NOE:170). No bridge.
Communications: 1xRadio (50,000km, 0.02MW). 1xLaser (50,000km, 0MW).
Sensors: 1xPEMS (12.5 [1.6mkm], 0MW).
Survey/Science:
ECM:
Signatures: Vis:-0.5, IR:-0.5 (-0.5 at 11MW, -1 at 1MW), Act:0, Neu:-1, Grav:-1
Weaponry Performance
0 Jump
2 Maneuver (/Thruster:10MW)
1 Contra-grav (0MW)
1100kph/1100kph Atmosphere (/Crus:825kph/825kph)
11 Power (/Fus:10.6MW,0.1yr )
0 Battery
0 Fuel
0/0/0/0/0 Accomodations
0 Life Sup. (/Ty:St,Nm /'St)
2 G-Comp
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[slap] </font>[/QUOTE]No, I want to do the highport deckplans!Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ravs:
Yeah, yeah, Boulton....do some deck plans of that lovely highport you posted and then you can talk!
Ravs
(kidding aside, I actually love doing station plans... there are different challenges to meet than ships)
[slap] </font>[/QUOTE]No, I want to do the highport deckplans!Originally posted by mickazoid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ravs:
Yeah, yeah, Boulton....do some deck plans of that lovely highport you posted and then you can talk!
Ravs
(kidding aside, I actually love doing station plans... there are different challenges to meet than ships) </font>[/QUOTE]That's great news, Mickazoid! I was hoping you were going to join in! I love your work.
Ravs
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
A Point of Clarification, please:
Since Deckplans are primarily driven by the volume of spaces, what is the size of your Engineering in cubic meters? (the crew/passenger cabin is assumed to be the remaining space). </font>[/QUOTE]Drives etc: 14.45
Fuel: 0.05
Electronics: 0.27
Cargo: 1
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Pickles
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Yeah, talk is cheap ... bet you couldn't do a Hiver highport! At TL B, say.Originally posted by mickazoid:
No, I want to do the highport deckplans!
Andrew Boulton: Wow, FFS2 really is very incompatible with High Guard. Is it that different from T20 and Gurps Traveller (the two current systems)? I was just wondering how T5 would handle starship design. (Sorry, I’m getting off topic).
Your 2 dTon FFS2 ship is about 50 percent engineering and fits 5 people into 1 dTon of space. My 2 dTon HG derived Mini Craft Rules ship is 16 percent engineering and fits 5 people into 1.5 dTons of space.
High Guard (HG) would require 5% for MD-2, 2% for fuel, and 2% PP-2 at TL 15 for a total of 9% of the ship for engineering. At TL 13-14, the PP-2 is 4% for 11% engineering. At TL 9-12, the PP-2 is 6% for 13% engineering. At TL 7-8, the PP-2 is 8% for 15% engineering.
I wanted my Mini Craft rules to produce a craft that was just a little worse than HG, B2 and Striker to allow Small Craft below 20 dTons without encouraging Rules lawyers to exploit it to produce Super Fighters. I chose to increase the required engineering space to 8% of the ship per G of acceleration to allow for MD/PP/Fuel smaller than the HG 3 dTon minimum that would be slightly worse than a TL 7-8 HG design above the 20 dTon “launch” size. All of this information is intended to help you evaluate the Mini Craft in light of a “valid set of rules” like High Guard.
The only HG rule which has been violated is the arbitrary minimum sizes, which I have violated at every chance.
Your 2 dTon FFS2 ship is about 50 percent engineering and fits 5 people into 1 dTon of space. My 2 dTon HG derived Mini Craft Rules ship is 16 percent engineering and fits 5 people into 1.5 dTons of space.
High Guard (HG) would require 5% for MD-2, 2% for fuel, and 2% PP-2 at TL 15 for a total of 9% of the ship for engineering. At TL 13-14, the PP-2 is 4% for 11% engineering. At TL 9-12, the PP-2 is 6% for 13% engineering. At TL 7-8, the PP-2 is 8% for 15% engineering.
I wanted my Mini Craft rules to produce a craft that was just a little worse than HG, B2 and Striker to allow Small Craft below 20 dTons without encouraging Rules lawyers to exploit it to produce Super Fighters. I chose to increase the required engineering space to 8% of the ship per G of acceleration to allow for MD/PP/Fuel smaller than the HG 3 dTon minimum that would be slightly worse than a TL 7-8 HG design above the 20 dTon “launch” size. All of this information is intended to help you evaluate the Mini Craft in light of a “valid set of rules” like High Guard.
The only HG rule which has been violated is the arbitrary minimum sizes, which I have violated at every chance.
Though not very pretty, I have some smallcraft deckplans using the draft T5 smallcraft design.
Ooops, these aren't meant to be official entries. My apologies.
AT, wonderful graphics!
Ooops, these aren't meant to be official entries. My apologies.
AT, wonderful graphics!
[slap] </font>[/QUOTE]No, I want to do the highport deckplans!Originally posted by ravs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mickazoid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ravs:
Yeah, yeah, Boulton....do some deck plans of that lovely highport you posted and then you can talk!
Ravs
(kidding aside, I actually love doing station plans... there are different challenges to meet than ships) </font>[/QUOTE]That's great news, Mickazoid! I was hoping you were going to join in! I love your work.
Ravs </font>[/QUOTE]The chance to work on plans for some of these great ship designers is a reward in itself.
Yeah, talk is cheap ... bet you couldn't do a Hiver highport! At TL B, say.Originally posted by the Bromgrev:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mickazoid:
No, I want to do the highport deckplans!
</font>[/QUOTE]"I am the Lizard King. I can do anything."
Tell you what, I'll do a sketch and see if it scares you enough.
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
Actually, it's pretty close in many ways. MD & JD are identical IIRC. Computers & PPs are more efficient.
T20 is High Guard Plus. GT is...different.
Most of that 50% is the thrusters, which have a min size of 10m3.
Your house rules seem reasonable, but they *are* house rules, and so probably not valid (IMO).
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
I'll see what I can do.
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
Here are views of the highport to do with as you wish. It's roughly 16Mdt.
http://www.traveller3d.com/highport1.png
http://www.traveller3d.com/highport2.png
http://www.traveller3d.com/highport1.png
http://www.traveller3d.com/highport2.png
I think it needs a font called T5NADeckPlan.ttf by SJG. </font>[/QUOTE]Yes. And in fact, the font was created by Marc. The smallcraft design draft and font are available here.
