Does the average person in the 3I feel involved in the 3I?

[HG_B]

They live on a high population, high law, dictatorial world of TL 12 or so.

Statistically very correct.

Human nature (for those worlds with humans) would dictate that there would be MUCH unrest and civil strife throughout most of the Imperium. Civil wars, mass genocide to maintain the dictatorships, etc. This is a HUGE, GINORMOUS missing piece of the material...

 

[Dragoner]

Statistically very correct.

Human nature (for those worlds with humans) would dictate that there would be MUCH unrest and civil strife throughout most of the Imperium. Civil wars, mass genocide to maintain the dictatorships, etc. This is a HUGE, GINORMOUS missing piece of the material...

"Hate", then would be to say a quite a bit of involvement.

 

[rancke]

They live on a high population, high law, dictatorial world of TL 12 or so.

I try to ignore the grosser ramifications of a world generation system that has the same distribution of governments from one end of settled space to the other irregardless of history and interstellar government.


Hans

 

[HG_B]

"Hate", then would be to say a quite a bit of involvement.

Towards "The Imperium"? That depends of whether or not the 3I steps in to maintain planetary gov's of that type. If they remained "hands off" maybe not.

There is also another angle, does the 3I allow planetary gov's to forbid people from leaving for another 3I system? If "freedom of movement" is enforced by 3I, those planets with dictatorial gov's would, over time, suffer crippling brain drain...

 

[Timerover51]

Statistically very correct.

Human nature (for those worlds with humans) would dictate that there would be MUCH unrest and civil strife throughout most of the Imperium. Civil wars, mass genocide to maintain the dictatorships, etc. This is a HUGE, GINORMOUS missing piece of the material...

Given that the three most populous countries in the Real World, China, India, and the United States collectively have a population of 2.86 Billion humans approximately, what is your basis for making this claim? If you add the European Union to this, your total human population is well over 3 billion humans. How many of those countries currently or in the past 50 years have experienced massive civil wars or genocide to maintain dictatorships?

 

[HG_B]

Given that the three most populous countries in the Real World, China, India, and the United States collectively have a population of 2.86 Billion humans approximately, what is your basis for making this claim?

Reread. DICTATORSHIPS. Now, restudy the modern history of China....

The US, EU & India aren't dictatorships. Just FYI

 

[aramis]

Towards "The Imperium"? That depends of whether or not the 3I steps in to maintain planetary gov's of that type. If they remained "hands off" maybe not.

There is also another angle, does the 3I allow planetary gov's to forbid people from leaving for another 3I system? If "freedom of movement" is enforced by 3I, those planets with dictatorial gov's would, over time, suffer crippling brain drain...

Yes, canonically, it does permit prevention of leaving... to a certain degree.

In the adventure Exit Visa, they can't leave world because they're suspected of having smuggled elsewhere.

In the adventure Psaydian Escape (in TTA), it's pretty clear that rigid control over civilian movement includes lack of access to the starport, and that one's freedoms, even as an offworlder, can be curtailed for a variety of really stupid reasons.

 

[HG_B]

Yes, canonically, it does permit prevention of leaving... to a certain degree.

In the adventure Exit Visa, they can't leave world because they're suspected of having smuggled elsewhere.

In the adventure Psaydian Escape (in TTA), it's pretty clear that rigid control over civilian movement includes lack of access to the starport, and that one's freedoms, even as an offworlder, can be curtailed for a variety of really stupid reasons.

Thanks for the clarification. Confirms my observation that there is a gaping hole in the setting. Basically the 3I would be a seething empire of civil war and mass genocide. VERY easy prey for an outside power to tumble.

 

[aramis]

Given that the three most populous countries in the Real World, China, India, and the United States collectively have a population of 2.86 Billion humans approximately, what is your basis for making this claim? If you add the European Union to this, your total human population is well over 3 billion humans. How many of those countries currently or in the past 50 years have experienced massive civil wars or genocide to maintain dictatorships?

China, USSR (including Ukraine and Afganistan), Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia. The Ukraine and Russia both fall under the USSR, as do Afganistan, Chechnia, and Georgia.

The break up of the soviet union was a response to a rising momentum towards civil war - and that was a response to a series of pogroms continuing right into the 1970's... but again, further discussion runs against the board rules of no modern politics.

 

[shield]

I remember seeing something in a JTAS article that made sense. Whilst planetary govts could prevent the locals leaving, part of Imperial membership requires that all citizens can volunteer for Imperial service and the local govts can't prevent them.

So some people on those high law level worlds can present themselves at the Xt Line at the starport and say they are volunteering for service in the scouts etc, and the local govt has to let them out. 3I is happy it gets personnel, and the local govt has got rid of a potential troublemaker. It acts as a relief valve to reduce internal disent.

That might also explain where the IISS gets its staff given it's high loss rate. Sitting alone on the bridge of an Xboat sounds nice after 18 years on a high law level dictatorship

 

[Dragoner]

Towards "The Imperium"? That depends of whether or not the 3I steps in to maintain planetary gov's of that type. If they remained "hands off" maybe not.

There is also another angle, does the 3I allow planetary gov's to forbid people from leaving for another 3I system? If "freedom of movement" is enforced by 3I, those planets with dictatorial gov's would, over time, suffer crippling brain drain...

If the Imperium is an enabler, then yes. The brain drain could explain the lower tech levels and the oppression can explain the thrust to colonization... as well as the rebellion.


Hmmm, I'm liking this.

 

[HG_B]

If the Imperium is an enabler, then yes. The brain drain could explain the lower tech levels and the oppression can explain the thrust to colonization... as well as the rebellion.


Hmmm, I'm liking this.

Oh yes. Also, adventure hooks to smuggle out high paying people from these worlds.

 

[Dragoner]

Oh yes. Also, adventure hooks to smuggle out high paying people from these worlds.

In that era, yes, and for MTU the corpsicles in cold sleep of those smugglers and smuggled, maybe to find a malevolent agent frozen as well (imagine a shipload of refugees, some famous dissidents, and then some are mysteriously bumped off). Plus it provides for the collapse of planetary governments once the rebellion begins and the mass exodus, not just due to war, but to escape. Also for the colonial's mistrust of Imperials as well as why the reformation of the Imperium was pushed through with the nobles signing their own death warrant by accepting democratic reforms.

Yes, I like this, wheels within wheels.