Sounds like my conception of the Weltbund.
I.E. loose coalitions with shifting loyalties? That's what I think of when I think frontier.
Foreven: Your Thoughts
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I.E. loose coalitions with shifting loyalties? That's what I think of when I think frontier.
Theophilus
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I see my error regarding Hapad, I miss read the text as Hapad government setting policy, i.e. Harassing other Zhodani clients, However it says Hapad chose to interpret the Avalar policy in this manner.
Ohhhhh... seems I made a similar error in an earlier post. I also missed the part where the Hapadi took it upon themselves to be jerks.
Oops.On another note, I still like the idea that (some of?) the Broadswords mentioned earlier have a connection to the Astron project, at least IMTU. Or maybe they're just making money. Bill's suggestion that they're out this way to gain practical combat experience is excellent. "Far to spinward" - it seems to me - would be something farther than Foreven (which is only a few doors down, as it were), but then that suggests something OT to the thread. Realistically, they could be operating anywhere between home and Astron -- including Foreven.
Maybe they're around for when somebody decides to harass some Swordies' pet project and needs a spanking. :devil:
Plankowner
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The CT Supplement Library Data A-M had a map of Charted Space.
On that map there are TWO fairly large "Human Client States" shown in Foreven.
One, covers about 3 Sub-Sectors and extend Rimward into the Beyond for more than a subsector. The second splits the border between Foreven and The Beyond.
Like it or not, Canon says there is a BIG Pocket Empire in the Rimward half of Foreven.
Luckily, the FFSLL allows you to ignore this if you want.
It seems to me that the Imperilines article just tried to fill in the details from the Charted Space map.
So, if you want to stick as close to canon as possible, you need to address a large PE in Foreven and then explain why it hasn't influenced the Marches and why the Darrians didn't consider it a threat of any kind.
The Map is copyrighted 1981.
On that map there are TWO fairly large "Human Client States" shown in Foreven.
One, covers about 3 Sub-Sectors and extend Rimward into the Beyond for more than a subsector. The second splits the border between Foreven and The Beyond.
Like it or not, Canon says there is a BIG Pocket Empire in the Rimward half of Foreven.
Luckily, the FFSLL allows you to ignore this if you want.
It seems to me that the Imperilines article just tried to fill in the details from the Charted Space map.
So, if you want to stick as close to canon as possible, you need to address a large PE in Foreven and then explain why it hasn't influenced the Marches and why the Darrians didn't consider it a threat of any kind.
The Map is copyrighted 1981.
far-trader
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Does not equal:
A "Client State" is an independent political unit that has accepted (or been forced into accepting) the patronage of a larger (powerful) political unit (as in not really independent at all, or only as far as the patron allows). Doesn't sound like a "Pocket Empire" (truly independent and powerful in it's own right over neighbours) to me. But maybe that's just semantics.
I'm also not sure (don't recall, haven't really been following) which best (CS or PE) describes the contentious political unit(s) described in Foreven.
Plankowner,
If the Imperillines article was trying to fill in the details from the Library Data map, why do the Imperialline's Avalar Consulate and Mnemosyne Principality have different borders than the two polities shown on the Library Data map?
I'll point everyone again to my Imperial-Zhodani borderland maps in the Art Gallery and remind you that the maps only show half of the Avalar Consulate. (By the way, on both maps any "indpendent" worlds have been left off for clarity.)
Regards,
Bill
Dan,
Client state definitely, and that still might not be strong enough to describe the Avalar Consulate's relationship with the Zhodani.
Once again, Imperiallines Issue 1, page 2, second column:
It can't be stated more plainly. With its resources required elsewhere, the Zhodani Consulate is currently forced to rely on the Avalar Consulate to deal with Imperial activities in the Foreven Sector. Far from being the loosely knit, new-on-the-scene, space-filling-polity it's apologists continue to claim, the Avalar Consulate is old enough, stable enough, and capable enough to be used by the Zhodani Consulate as an instrument of Zhodani foreign policy.
Let the handwaving begin...
Of course, a simple solution is readily at hand: Throw Imperiallines out of Traveller/OTU canon. Replace Imperiallines ill-judged and poorly crafted Foreven with it's huge Zho allied polity with the Library Data map and a truly balkanized political make-up.
It's been done on the past, it's been done with GDW materials, and it's solves the problem with a minimum of fuss and suspender snapping implausibilities.
Regards,
Bill
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Works for me. Foreven's importance to date is as a support to the Spinward Marches; if it bordered any other sector, it wouldn't matter.
Lycanorukke
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I thought he covered that with 'Dragons'?
Still throw you could throw in 'Atlantis', 'Arglebargle IX', and "Squashed bug on map'.
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