Foreven: Your Thoughts

[dmccoy1693]

I cannot see why revising History of the Marches is a bad thing.

Good or bad, it cannot be done (from my position). The Foreven license forbids me from changing anything outside of the Foreven Sector. So I have to work with the SM history as is.

 

[robject]

Good or bad, it cannot be done (from my position). The Foreven license forbids me from changing anything outside of the Foreven Sector. So I have to work with the SM history as is.

Right.

The license puts everyone pretty much in the same bucket: what's there is there. You're free to work within the frame (which is pretty sketchy even with the borders given).

 

[Hyphen]

FWIW, I have NO problems in retconning out the whole "Avelar Consulate" thing. I was always a fan of the idea of Die Weltbund breaking up - partly as a result of various sides machinations during the 5FW - and the resulting region being balkanised.

Lots and lots of adventure and intrigue possibilities, piracy without handwaves (ex-mil ships), etc etc.

 

[DonM]

Not to defame Don McKinney, but I don't agree with his views of Foreven. We remain on friendly terms, and actually do agree on some things. I think Foreven is not one of them. I'm always ready to gut Foreven. I can't "legally" do that.

Hmm... you might not know my current position on Foreven.

Friendly terms? How about "disagreeing co-conspirators"?

You and I need to talk about Foreven.

 

[splicer]

First, my condolences to Dale and family.

As to Foreven, some thoughts:

Adventure 7, p18: New Frontier Trading Partners, a Sword Worlds corporation, bought ten Broadsword-class Mercenary Cruisers, for use in operations outside the Marches far to Spinward.

"far"?
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This means a corporation registered to a Sword Worlds world has doings in or past Foreven. So, for the sake of plot hooks, I ask you:

How far? Foreven? Far Frontiers? Beyond?

Astron? Maybe Hans has some relevant thoughts.

The GT: Sword Worlds campaign frame "100 Parsecs" only mentions the Avalar Consulate as existing in Beyond Sector and as "a state on the border of the Foreven Sector." (p.140) Also mentioned is that the AC is attempting to distance itself from the Zhodani Consulate without directly antagonizing them, although they seem keen to antagonize the citizens of other Zho allies. I sense a quiet attempt here to deal with the IL#1 problem, but that's entirely speculative on my part.

In any case, maybe a compromise would be to prune the AC presence in Foreven to Harem and Piah some few parsecs coreward of the planet Avalar itself, and handwave the Imperiallines references as faulty data mistakenly (1) propagated in some charts (2). Maybe that works, maybe it doesn't. Just some random thoughts.

1. Or due to paranoia or xenophobia.
2. I've never seen IL #1, so I have no idea what is the extent of the information presented. Apologies if I missed something said elsewhere in this thread.

 

[kafka47]

Good or bad, it cannot be done (from my position). The Foreven license forbids me from changing anything outside of the Foreven Sector. So I have to work with the SM history as is.

Remember, I am not advocating a wholesale change to the history just a change of perspective. The Darrians and the Swordies would have a different history than what Imperials would call their own. Similarly, the constituent states within Foreven would have their own histories composed of truths & falsifications.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Remember, I am not advocating a wholesale change to the history just a change of perspective.

Ahh. My bad.

The Darrians and the Swordies would have a different history than what Imperials would call their own. Similarly, the constituent states within Foreven would have their own histories composed of truths & falsifications.

Ohh definitely. I'm having fun incorporating the three smaller SM nations into Foreven (and attempting to screw over the larger powers).

 

[ThunderChilde]

So, Swordworlds, Darrians and, um maybe Avon? In mtu, the Darrians aren't massively involved in the Foreven, but they are present in some fashion in 16 systems, colonies, research bases and the like. All well scattered about by and large. There are a couple colonies that were abondoned during the megiz, so ethnic Darrians are present on a couple more worlds.

 

[Klaus]

Shifting my designs on to ssL, as there are many, many folk looking into ssP...

 

[dmccoy1693]

ssL? ssP?

ThunderChilde, yea, that's what I'm doing as well. They have a presence, but no where near the presence of the zhodani and the imperium.

 

[far-trader]

ssL? ssP?

Ah, threw me for a second too. I'm guessing Sub-Sectors L and P of Foreven

 

[dmccoy1693]

Ah, threw me for a second too. I'm guessing Sub-Sectors L and P of Foreven

Yea, I just went over to sfrpg and found klaus' other post. now it makes sense.

 

[robject]

How about "disagreeing co-conspirators"?

You and I need to talk about Foreven.

Oooh, I like that term.

Yes, let's talk.

 

[Klaus]

ook, apols for lack of clarity. Me brain is a bit frazzled from pointless training sessions....

 

[Theophilus]

Simple question Which came first Rat and Cats or Imperial lines 1?

Harder question: AM8 darriens says they explored to a 20 parsec radius, wouldn't that include six subsectors of Foreven?

Hardest question GT:SW has a different capital for the Avalar not Avalar itself. any thoughts?

 

[robject]

Harder question: AM8 darriens says they explored to a 20 parsec radius, wouldn't that include six subsectors of Foreven?

Yes that would. Similar to the outposts from the Spinward Marches, they'd basically die out after the Maghiz, but yes, I imagine that some storage crate at the bottom of a pile of old data in the basement of the University of Zlodh has the expedition files.

Hardest question GT:SW has a different capital for the Avalar not Avalar itself. any thoughts?

Like the Sword Worlds, perhaps Avalar is made up of independent worlds and frequently shifting coalitions and power struggles.

Hmmm. Perhaps the Sword Worlds has some ties to a few worlds in Avalar's sphere. That would explain what their ten mercenary cruisers are doing in Foreven.

 

[rancke]

Simple question Which came first Rat and Cats or Imperial lines 1?

Both were published in 1991.

Harder question: AM8 darriens says they explored to a 20 parsec radius, wouldn't that include six subsectors of Foreven?

Yes. Is that a problem?

Hardest question GT:SW has a different capital for the Avalar not Avalar itself. any thoughts?

Paul Drye wrote the adventure where the avalars were mentioned, so I'm not sure, but a quick browse failed to find any mention of a different capital[*]. Could you provide a quote?

[*] I did spot a reference to the Avalars having been clients of the Zhodani for an (unspecified) long time . >>SIGH<< So much for reconciling the Avalar Consulate with the Weltbund .​

Hans

 

[rancke]

Yes that would. Similar to the outposts from the Spinward Marches, they'd basically die out after the Maghiz, but yes, I imagine that some storage crate at the bottom of a pile of old data in the basement of the University of Zlodh has the expedition files.

The HQ of the Darrian Astrography Service was on a space station; all of its records were destroyed in the Maghiz. That's why all those lost Darrian outposts sayed lost for so long.

(I can't remember if I actually mentioned that in my writeup; I definitely meant to ).

Like the Sword Worlds, perhaps Avalar is made up of independent worlds and frequently shifting coalitions and power struggles.

Sounds like my conception of the Weltbund .


Hans

 

[Theophilus]

Without the book before me I'll say off the top of my head it's on page 141?, It refences the ships of the Astron expedition being held over at the capital. in Beyond sector.

 

[rancke]

Without the book before me I'll say off the top of my head it's on page 141?, It refences the ships of the Astron expedition being held over at the capital. in Beyond sector.

Nowhere does it say that Hapad is the capital of anything. My presumption would be that it's a border world.


Hans