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ghost in the shell (movie)

Xenomorphs are sexualized zombies; you can't reason with them, and they can't be stopped.

The space jockey just seemed like an unlucky SOB. Prometheus is trying to create a mythology that tries to join them together and explain it.

I hope that Ridley isn't trying to Pixar his entire body of work into a single timeline and universe.
 
Xenomorphs are sexualized zombies; you can't reason with them, and they can't be stopped.

The space jockey just seemed like an unlucky SOB. Prometheus is trying to create a mythology that tries to join them together and explain it.

I hope that Ridley isn't trying to Pixar his entire body of work into a single timeline and universe.

I suspect any attempt to explain the Space Jockey was inevitably going to disappoint some fans of Alien.

But Alan Dean Foster had his version of the Space Jockey, Dark Horse had its version, and now there's Prometheus and the Engineer-and-Xenomorph Mythos.


I'm interested in pretty much all of it, including the tie-in with Predator, but I don't necessarily think of all these films, novels comics, etc. as a single coherent meta-setting and history. More like variations on a theme.
And there's still a lot I have not read.
 
I caught the latter part of Prometheus on cable/pay TV.
It looked really cool.

But I have heard from multiple people that it didn't quite gel, and could have used more exposition and development of background. Some of the connective tissue seemed to be missing.
I hope we'll get a director's cut at some point.

Prometheus was a decent movie, great effects, but with a couple huge plot holes.
 
I have seen the live action Ghost in the Shell movie.

I'm not going to post spoilers.

But it was Intense and Fascinating.
 
Dunno, Prometheus is well and truly in the running for 'Most disappointing film from a major Sci-Fi director'. It's right up there with that one with the giant smurfs.

I'm not sure I will bother watching Alien: Covenant at the movies either.

GITS and GITS:SAC were pretty good. GITS:Innocence was a bit naff. I haven't seen GITS:Arise.

Those are different story lines.

Gits and Gits 2: Innocence are one story line.

Gits 2 season Anime episodes and Stand alone complex movie are a second story line. SAC is likely the third season of the eps in movie form rather than individual episodes.

Gits: Arise 1, 2, 3, and 4 are prequel sequences, OVA.

Yes, I have the English translation of the Manga, still read from what the US would consider back to front.

I have all of it except the latest movie, which I'll get on DvD when it comes out. Yeah, I'm a computer tech/geek.
 
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Well, Avatar's problems were more than that. There was never an explanation of why there was a mercenary-military presence there in the first place. And typical Cameron had the climactic battle being very over the top.

The movie was worthy of a Traveller formula in the vein of the old CT adventures, but you need to have some plausibility for your plot, even in a scifi film. It just didn't make sense why humans were screwing with these people in the first place.

Why would you send your players' characters down there to begin with?
 
Blue Ghost, have you learned NOTHING about humans?

Wherever a new group was found, a battle was eventually fought. Local populations have been exterminated, enslaved and/or exploited simply because they were there.

That's the one part of the plot of Avatar which makes sense, even sight unseen.

Why Mercenary? Deniability. Let the Mercs do the dirty, and then sweep in and reap the biochemical rewards.
 
Well, Avatar's problems were more than that. There was never an explanation of why there was a mercenary-military presence there in the first place. And typical Cameron had the climactic battle being very over the top.

The movie was worthy of a Traveller formula in the vein of the old CT adventures, but you need to have some plausibility for your plot, even in a scifi film. It just didn't make sense why humans were screwing with these people in the first place.

Why would you send your players' characters down there to begin with?

It's been a while, but I thought the mercs were a security contingent for what was essentially a mining survey and research project.

The Earthmen need/wanted Unobtanium. It seemed related to gravitics and energy technology.

RE nuking it from orbit...
I'd mention a certain sci fi books series, but I don't want to give spoilers.

I'm not so sure using WMD, or other such very aggressive approaches, is a good idea on a planet with a highly networked eco-consciousness, or whatever you'd describe it as.
The planet might go from dangerous for humans to downright murderous.


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I'm not saying I liked Avatar. I didn't really care for it, beyond the visuals.
 
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Well, Avatar's problems were more than that. There was never an explanation of why there was a mercenary-military presence there in the first place.

The super-valuable Unobtanium by itself doesn't justify the heavy military presence, but bear in mind the planet's environment is portrayed as unremittingly hostile. It has giant predatory mega-fauna, some of which are airborn, as well as dangerous 3m tall natives.

I'm half expecting the sequel to include revelations about off-world threats, maybe a rival alien space-faring civilization or a rival human government or rebellious colonies. But the in-film justification is the hostility of the environment. They're there to protect the mine workers and their equipment.

Simon Hibbs
 
It's been a while, but I thought the mercs were a security contingent for what was essentially a mining survey and research project.

The Earthmen need/wanted Unobtanium. It seemed related to gravitics and energy technology.

RE nuking it from orbit...
I'd mention a certain sci fi books series, but I don't want to give spoilers.

I'm not so sure using WMD, or other such very aggressive approaches, is a good idea on a planet with a highly networked eco-consciousness, or whatever you'd describe it as.
The planet might go from dangerous for humans to downright murderous.


NOTE


I'm not saying I liked Avatar. I didn't really care for it, beyond the visuals.
Oh I remember the explanation, but why even bother with the natives if all they're going to do is screw with them? Why not pick a desert patch where they aren't any? Or why not do off shore mining on some rig, again where the natives can't reach and don't live int he first place?

A lot of scifi have these psychiatric formulas (not all scifi) to create emotional subplots. In this case it was to hook the marine up with the native hottie (another scifi trope you probably won't see Traveller wise because of its difficulty in translation).

I think a more plausible approach would have been to have it as a rescue mission instead of a scifi version of "A Man Called Horse" (anyone remember that one with Richard Harris?).

To me the message of the movie was that loving someone not of your social circle was more important than duty. Eh, well ... it depends on what that duty is, and what your love interest is all about. And I think people are smart enough to know that, and I think that's why Avatar didn't succeed like a Star Wars or the Spiderman film in the early 2000s.

Back on topic; I really liked Ghost in the Shell anime-wise, but it's like ... I don't know ... since the film is readily available world wide, then why do a live action "remake" of the same material? Will the non-anime fan go see the live action version and suddenly run out and buy the anime on bluray? I'm thinking not.

I shrug my shoulders at the whole thing. It's their money. Let's see what happens.
 
Why is Disney doing live action remakes of their animated classics?

They're safe bets of a known quantity with an inbuilt demographic.

Anime is a bit more risky, because even if the new projects are now produced with an eye to an international audience, they tend to deal with even universal themes from a generally intrinsic Japanese viewpoint, especially since many are adaptations from Japanese manga and novels.
 
Re: Ghost in the Shell. It's been a long time since I fell asleep in a movie. Probably the only thing that stopped me from walking out. Pretentious comes to mind. Trying to make grand statements and raise big important questions and does neither.
 
Oh I remember the explanation, but why even bother with the natives if all they're going to do is screw with them? Why not pick a desert patch where they aren't any? Or why not do off shore mining on some rig, again where the natives can't reach and don't live int he first place?

A lot of scifi have these psychiatric formulas (not all scifi) to create emotional subplots. In this case it was to hook the marine up with the native hottie (another scifi trope you probably won't see Traveller wise because of its difficulty in translation).

I think a more plausible approach would have been to have it as a rescue mission instead of a scifi version of "A Man Called Horse" (anyone remember that one with Richard Harris?).

To me the message of the movie was that loving someone not of your social circle was more important than duty. Eh, well ... it depends on what that duty is, and what your love interest is all about. And I think people are smart enough to know that, and I think that's why Avatar didn't succeed like a Star Wars or the Spiderman film in the early 2000s.

Back on topic; I really liked Ghost in the Shell anime-wise, but it's like ... I don't know ... since the film is readily available world wide, then why do a live action "remake" of the same material? Will the non-anime fan go see the live action version and suddenly run out and buy the anime on bluray? I'm thinking not.

I shrug my shoulders at the whole thing. It's their money. Let's see what happens.

The live action is not an exact remake, there are new things going on in there.

My siblings found the first one boring. I know more about computers than they do and saw what might be coming. But the cyber brain firewalls definately need to be better before I would trust my memories to it.
 
Re: Ghost in the Shell. It's been a long time since I fell asleep in a movie. Probably the only thing that stopped me from walking out. Pretentious comes to mind. Trying to make grand statements and raise big important questions and does neither.

THE anime or live action?
 
Why is Disney doing live action remakes of their animated classics?

They're safe bets of a known quantity with an inbuilt demographic.

Anime is a bit more risky, because even if the new projects are now produced with an eye to an international audience, they tend to deal with even universal themes from a generally intrinsic Japanese viewpoint, especially since many are adaptations from Japanese manga and novels.
Yeah, that's true. I sure do wish Disney would crank out adventure films like they used to when I was younger. Anyone remember "Island at the Top of the World" or "Swiss Family Robinson" or even "The Castaways" and "Davy Crockett"? Before the whole Disney Princess thing hit?

All those films would make good Traveller adventures, by the way.

I wonder if someone's going to do a live action version of Armitage III, or even Project A-KO animes. I'd almost pay money to see that just to see how much of a bomb those things would be with audiences.
 
I wonder if someone's going to do a live action version of Armitage III, or even Project A-KO animes. I'd almost pay money to see that just to see how much of a bomb those things would be with audiences.

Given the whitewashing backlash recently, A-Ko would be problematic if done straight. The drive-by critics would accuse the casting of being whitewashed despite two of the three primaries not being Asian at all, leaving only the villain of the piece (or the villains of the first two, if you will) being bad anime stereotypical *Japanese*, triggering another round of criticism.

Flipping the ethnicity of the primary trio ruins much of the premise and humor of the original. If a studio were willing to run solely on heavily adapting the obvious story (the super-powered love triangle) and ignore the secondary elements entirely, it might do better but it would have the same retread feel of The Island; smells like a remake, but no one knows of what.
 
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