High Guard 3
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The Oz
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Try using the "code" tags. You may/will have to fuss with tabs and spacings (the preview function is good for seeing things before you post them) but you can get tables to line up a lot better if you enclose them in the "code" tags.Originally posted by BillDowns:
How do you tables to line up correctly?
When I'm doing tables for CotI I like to make them up in Notepad first (any plain text editor will do) and then copy and paste into CotI. I then look at them in the preview and if things haven't lined up right I make changes to the Notepad version and then copy and paste again. I do this over and over until it looks right in CotI, although it often winds up looking funny in Notepad.
The Oz
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Try using the "code" tags. You may/will have to fuss with tabs and spacings (the preview function is good for seeing things before you post them) but you can get tables to line up a lot better if you enclose them in the "code" tags.Originally posted by BillDowns:
How do you tables to line up correctly?
When I'm doing tables for CotI I like to make them up in Notepad first (any plain text editor will do) and then copy and paste into CotI. I then look at them in the preview and if things haven't lined up right I make changes to the Notepad version and then copy and paste again. I do this over and over until it looks right in CotI, although it often winds up looking funny in Notepad.
mike wightman
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IMHO yes, we do need to know the difference for High Guard 3 so that bay weapons can be different to massed turret batteries.
I'd like to see more of a rock - paper - scissors thing going on with the weapon mounts.
Turrets good vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers - useless against capital ships
Bays useless vs smallcraft and missiles - good vs escorts/destroyers - mediocre vs capital ships.
Spinal mounts useless vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers* - good vs capital ships.
* mediocre from a hit probability point of view, since a spinal hit on anything less than a capital ship will usually be a mission kill.
mike wightman
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IMHO yes, we do need to know the difference for High Guard 3 so that bay weapons can be different to massed turret batteries.
I'd like to see more of a rock - paper - scissors thing going on with the weapon mounts.
Turrets good vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers - useless against capital ships
Bays useless vs smallcraft and missiles - good vs escorts/destroyers - mediocre vs capital ships.
Spinal mounts useless vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers* - good vs capital ships.
* mediocre from a hit probability point of view, since a spinal hit on anything less than a capital ship will usually be a mission kill.
mike wightman
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One of the things I'd like to see in a High Guard 3 would be the full tech tree up to TL20. Which means that meson turrets and repulsor/manipulator turrets canonically exist (depending on if you take GT as canon or not
)Example 2: TL12 100-ton Missle
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">USP Rating Number of Bays
---------- --------------
9 1
A 3
B 6
C 12
D 18
E 30</pre>[/QUOTE]What do you think? [/quote]Looks good.
mike wightman
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One of the things I'd like to see in a High Guard 3 would be the full tech tree up to TL20. Which means that meson turrets and repulsor/manipulator turrets canonically exist (depending on if you take GT as canon or not
)Example 2: TL12 100-ton Missle
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">USP Rating Number of Bays
---------- --------------
9 1
A 3
B 6
C 12
D 18
E 30</pre>[/QUOTE]What do you think? [/quote]Looks good.
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
If you "quote" reply to my last post you'll see where I putOriginally posted by BillDowns:
How do you tables to line up correctly?
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HTH [img]smile.gif[/img]mike wightman
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If you "quote" reply to my last post you'll see where I putOriginally posted by BillDowns:
How do you tables to line up correctly?
Code:
[/code} tags to preserve formating.
Note that the last } should be a ] but then the meaning of the message would be lost.
HTH [img]smile.gif[/img]IMHO yes, we do need to know the difference for High Guard 3 so that bay weapons can be different to massed turret batteries.
I'd like to see more of a rock - paper - scissors thing going on with the weapon mounts.
Turrets good vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers - useless against capital ships
Bays useless vs smallcraft and missiles - good vs escorts/destroyers - mediocre vs capital ships.
Spinal mounts useless vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers* - good vs capital ships.
* mediocre from a hit probability point of view, since a spinal hit on anything less than a capital ship will usually be a mission kill. </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, I can see that. Something like a DM table (and I get a chance to do the code thing):
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Turret DM to Hit
Ship Size DM
--------- --
0 +2
1-9 +1
A-J 0
K-Q -1
R+ -2</pre>[/QUOTE]</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Bay Weapon DM to Hit
Ship Size DM
--------- --
0 -2
1-5 -1
5-9 0
A-J +1
K-Q +2</pre>[/QUOTE]Something like that?
IMHO yes, we do need to know the difference for High Guard 3 so that bay weapons can be different to massed turret batteries.
I'd like to see more of a rock - paper - scissors thing going on with the weapon mounts.
Turrets good vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers - useless against capital ships
Bays useless vs smallcraft and missiles - good vs escorts/destroyers - mediocre vs capital ships.
Spinal mounts useless vs smallcraft and missiles - mediocre vs escorts/destroyers* - good vs capital ships.
* mediocre from a hit probability point of view, since a spinal hit on anything less than a capital ship will usually be a mission kill. </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, I can see that. Something like a DM table (and I get a chance to do the code thing):
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Turret DM to Hit
Ship Size DM
--------- --
0 +2
1-9 +1
A-J 0
K-Q -1
R+ -2</pre>[/QUOTE]</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Bay Weapon DM to Hit
Ship Size DM
--------- --
0 -2
1-5 -1
5-9 0
A-J +1
K-Q +2</pre>[/QUOTE]Something like that?
szurkey, I'm always a lover of somewhat complex formula, how did you come up with this one in particular? I assume you are looking to tabularize this and/or base design off of a spreadsheet or program. If so, otehr power relationships with respect to TL could be used.
Have you also thought of maximum armor based on size or a non-linear relationship based on size? For example, 1 meter of armor on a 100 dton ship should take a lot less % wise than 1 meter of armor on a 15 dton vessel.
Just some thoughts.
szurkey, I'm always a lover of somewhat complex formula, how did you come up with this one in particular? I assume you are looking to tabularize this and/or base design off of a spreadsheet or program. If so, otehr power relationships with respect to TL could be used.
Have you also thought of maximum armor based on size or a non-linear relationship based on size? For example, 1 meter of armor on a 100 dton ship should take a lot less % wise than 1 meter of armor on a 15 dton vessel.
Just some thoughts.
Sigg, BillDowns, to jump in a little late with an idea:
How about one more level, a four level "rock-paper-scissors" with 4 classes of weapons:
Spinal-Fixed-Turret-Point
The advantages/disadvantages as described with the following modifications/observation:
Fixed consume less vol. than turret weapons of the same rating. Bay weapons are fixed weapons. If you back some numbers of of the HG2 tables you'll find bays comsune about 75% of the space of a comparably rated turret battery.
Turrets are the standard. Turrets counter fighters.
Point weapons very fast targeting weapons of lower lethality and/or much shorter range than turret weapons. Point weapons counter missiles.
How about one more level, a four level "rock-paper-scissors" with 4 classes of weapons:
Spinal-Fixed-Turret-Point
The advantages/disadvantages as described with the following modifications/observation:
Fixed consume less vol. than turret weapons of the same rating. Bay weapons are fixed weapons. If you back some numbers of of the HG2 tables you'll find bays comsune about 75% of the space of a comparably rated turret battery.
Turrets are the standard. Turrets counter fighters.
Point weapons very fast targeting weapons of lower lethality and/or much shorter range than turret weapons. Point weapons counter missiles.
Sigg, BillDowns, to jump in a little late with an idea:
How about one more level, a four level "rock-paper-scissors" with 4 classes of weapons:
Spinal-Fixed-Turret-Point
The advantages/disadvantages as described with the following modifications/observation:
Fixed consume less vol. than turret weapons of the same rating. Bay weapons are fixed weapons. If you back some numbers of of the HG2 tables you'll find bays comsune about 75% of the space of a comparably rated turret battery.
Turrets are the standard. Turrets counter fighters.
Point weapons very fast targeting weapons of lower lethality and/or much shorter range than turret weapons. Point weapons counter missiles.
How about one more level, a four level "rock-paper-scissors" with 4 classes of weapons:
Spinal-Fixed-Turret-Point
The advantages/disadvantages as described with the following modifications/observation:
Fixed consume less vol. than turret weapons of the same rating. Bay weapons are fixed weapons. If you back some numbers of of the HG2 tables you'll find bays comsune about 75% of the space of a comparably rated turret battery.
Turrets are the standard. Turrets counter fighters.
Point weapons very fast targeting weapons of lower lethality and/or much shorter range than turret weapons. Point weapons counter missiles.
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
Yep, something just like that
Thanks.
I was thinking of modifying the ship size DM table for the different weapon types. And I think I've posted before that I don't think bay weapons should be subject to the +6 DM on the damage tables.
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
Yep, something just like that
Thanks.
I was thinking of modifying the ship size DM table for the different weapon types. And I think I've posted before that I don't think bay weapons should be subject to the +6 DM on the damage tables.
