LBB2 and Jump-6

[boomslang]

Originally posted by robject:
Maybe we "need" a 150t hull...

Actually, the one thing I am always pulling my hair out wishing was included in canon is a Model/3bis computer... at say 3 dtons, with a CPU of 8 (or maybe 9), costing every bit as much as a Model/4, but at one precious dton less...

 

[boomslang]

Originally posted by robject:
Maybe we "need" a 150t hull...

Actually, the one thing I am always pulling my hair out wishing was included in canon is a Model/3bis computer... at say 3 dtons, with a CPU of 8 (or maybe 9), costing every bit as much as a Model/4, but at one precious dton less...

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by boomslang:
I'd need something like a gamma-ray laser to have enough waveform to modulate at the 100 billion cycles/sec required by my throughput needs... and that, obviously, is more like a "weapon" than a "communications device"...

I could quote from the works of Larry Niven at this point...

and mention that first edition High Guard also had fusion based maneuver drives usable as weapons.

That'll teach those cat people Kzi... Aslan, I mean Aslan (or is it Hani

)

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by boomslang:
I'd need something like a gamma-ray laser to have enough waveform to modulate at the 100 billion cycles/sec required by my throughput needs... and that, obviously, is more like a "weapon" than a "communications device"...

I could quote from the works of Larry Niven at this point...

and mention that first edition High Guard also had fusion based maneuver drives usable as weapons.

That'll teach those cat people Kzi... Aslan, I mean Aslan (or is it Hani

)

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by boomslang:
Actually, the one thing I am always pulling my hair out wishing was included in canon is a Model/3bis computer... at say 3 dtons, with a CPU of 8 (or maybe 9), costing every bit as much as a Model/4, but at one precious dton less...

Such a beast exists, in first edition High Guard.

Even in second edition High Guard the USP codes are reserved for the higher bis models they just aren't mentioned.

I'll dig it out and explain further.

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by boomslang:
Actually, the one thing I am always pulling my hair out wishing was included in canon is a Model/3bis computer... at say 3 dtons, with a CPU of 8 (or maybe 9), costing every bit as much as a Model/4, but at one precious dton less...

Such a beast exists, in first edition High Guard.

Even in second edition High Guard the USP codes are reserved for the higher bis models they just aren't mentioned.

I'll dig it out and explain further.

 

[boomslang]

How about an extra small craft stateroom in the 195t model then? (and the maneuver A drive of course)

Run the numbers; I don't think there's any room left...
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> 20 bridge
25 j-drive-D
13 p-plant-D
1 m-drive-A
78 j fuel
40 p fuel
4 model/4
8 2 staterooms (Pilot, Gunner)
5 hold (Mail)
1 fire control
---
195 dtons, streamlined, military (unrefined OK)</pre>[/QUOTE]My favorite variant is to delete the fire control in favor of a Solomani-style dual fixed mount, and use the extra space for either magazine or low berths...

 

[boomslang]

How about an extra small craft stateroom in the 195t model then? (and the maneuver A drive of course)

Run the numbers; I don't think there's any room left...
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> 20 bridge
25 j-drive-D
13 p-plant-D
1 m-drive-A
78 j fuel
40 p fuel
4 model/4
8 2 staterooms (Pilot, Gunner)
5 hold (Mail)
1 fire control
---
195 dtons, streamlined, military (unrefined OK)</pre>[/QUOTE]My favorite variant is to delete the fire control in favor of a Solomani-style dual fixed mount, and use the extra space for either magazine or low berths...

 

[mike wightman]

Sorry, an addy up and take away error on my part

 

[mike wightman]

Sorry, an addy up and take away error on my part

 

[boomslang]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Sorry, an addy up and take away error on my part

I told you it was a "perfect fit"...

 

[boomslang]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Sorry, an addy up and take away error on my part

I told you it was a "perfect fit"...

 

[mike wightman]

Here's what High Guard first edition says about bis computer models:

Bis (enhanced) models are excluded; their features may be calculated at double CPU capacity and double price at one tech level higher; bis models are not available with fibre optic back-up. In the combat rules in this booklet, they are treated as the unenhanced version. Letters to designate bis models range from R (1 bis) to X (7 bis).

So a table for the bis models would look like this:
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">model MCr Tons Capacity TL
1bis 4 1 4/0 6
2bis 18 2 6/0 8
3bis 36 3 10/0 A
4bis 60 4 16/0 B
5bis 90 5 24/0 C
6bis 110 7 30/0 D
7bis 160 9 40/0 E
8bis 220 11 60/0 F
9bis 280 13 80/0 G</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[mike wightman]

Here's what High Guard first edition says about bis computer models:

Bis (enhanced) models are excluded; their features may be calculated at double CPU capacity and double price at one tech level higher; bis models are not available with fibre optic back-up. In the combat rules in this booklet, they are treated as the unenhanced version. Letters to designate bis models range from R (1 bis) to X (7 bis).

So a table for the bis models would look like this:
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">model MCr Tons Capacity TL
1bis 4 1 4/0 6
2bis 18 2 6/0 8
3bis 36 3 10/0 A
4bis 60 4 16/0 B
5bis 90 5 24/0 C
6bis 110 7 30/0 D
7bis 160 9 40/0 E
8bis 220 11 60/0 F
9bis 280 13 80/0 G</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[boomslang]

So a table for the bis models would look like this:
<snipped>

That's very, very groovy... drop one of those into the 195-dton Express Courier, and you'll get a whole free dton to play with... now I can have a magazine and fire control... I can see why they were dropped, now; the Model/3bis has more computational capacity (10/0) than the larger Model/4 (3/6)... which makes the basic Model/4 obsolete the moment it is introduced...

Also, IIRC, HG1 provides for fibre-optic computers that don't displace extra dtonnage, but simply cost more, right? Like 150% of base Model cost or somesuch? ISTR using the fibre-optic variants was alluded to in the Darrians Alien Module at one point...

 

[boomslang]

So a table for the bis models would look like this:
<snipped>

That's very, very groovy... drop one of those into the 195-dton Express Courier, and you'll get a whole free dton to play with... now I can have a magazine and fire control... I can see why they were dropped, now; the Model/3bis has more computational capacity (10/0) than the larger Model/4 (3/6)... which makes the basic Model/4 obsolete the moment it is introduced...

Also, IIRC, HG1 provides for fibre-optic computers that don't displace extra dtonnage, but simply cost more, right? Like 150% of base Model cost or somesuch? ISTR using the fibre-optic variants was alluded to in the Darrians Alien Module at one point...

 

[mike wightman]

Yup, that's right.

However, in revised CT the model 4 computer costs MCr30, and has a capacity of 8/15, it's the model 2 that is 3/6.

 

[mike wightman]

Yup, that's right.

However, in revised CT the model 4 computer costs MCr30, and has a capacity of 8/15, it's the model 2 that is 3/6.

 

[Renard Ruche]

Boomslang: Thanks for the reminder about Navigate having to run concurrently!

Sigg: I perused both the 'Ship Design and Construction' and 'Computers and Software' sections of The Traveller Book, and the only mention I could find of 'computer cassettes' (which I referred to as 'tapes') is on Pg 71:
'In cases where a generate program is not available, starports have single-use flight plans (in self-erasing cassettes) available for all worlds within jump range for Cr10.000 per jump number'

Of course, 'cassette' could just be a hold-over from a previous era. Anyone else remember backing up computers using a cassette deck (I'm talking about the old black ones with a speaker at one end, cassette play mechanism in the middle and those groovy toggle swithces at the other end)?

 

[Renard Ruche]

Boomslang: Thanks for the reminder about Navigate having to run concurrently!

Sigg: I perused both the 'Ship Design and Construction' and 'Computers and Software' sections of The Traveller Book, and the only mention I could find of 'computer cassettes' (which I referred to as 'tapes') is on Pg 71:
'In cases where a generate program is not available, starports have single-use flight plans (in self-erasing cassettes) available for all worlds within jump range for Cr10.000 per jump number'

Of course, 'cassette' could just be a hold-over from a previous era. Anyone else remember backing up computers using a cassette deck (I'm talking about the old black ones with a speaker at one end, cassette play mechanism in the middle and those groovy toggle swithces at the other end)?