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[Proto-Traveller] How much map do you really need?

B

binky

SOC-12
Been spending a chunk of time of the holidays going back over the inaugural PT thread and got to thinking of how much starmap you really needed to get started.

To recap, here's Aramis' proposed sector layoutt:

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+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | G | | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ORV | S R | G R | C M | 2KW |
| | ? | G | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>[/QUOTE]How much else of this really needs to be fleshed out before you can calcualte the impact on say, the Marches, and then have a basis fom which to build a campaign? My gut feeling is actually, not very much at all.

Having some idea what's to the left of the Marches might be useful, but is probably not essential, it can just be the frontier.

Personally I'm looking to base charaters in District 268 and then have them travel up and through the Marches as time progresses.

I'd be interested in how other people woyld/are approaching this.

- Neil.
 
Been spending a chunk of time of the holidays going back over the inaugural PT thread and got to thinking of how much starmap you really needed to get started.

To recap, here's Aramis' proposed sector layoutt:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | G | | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ORV | S R | G R | C M | 2KW |
| | ? | G | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>[/QUOTE]How much else of this really needs to be fleshed out before you can calcualte the impact on say, the Marches, and then have a basis fom which to build a campaign? My gut feeling is actually, not very much at all.

Having some idea what's to the left of the Marches might be useful, but is probably not essential, it can just be the frontier.

Personally I'm looking to base charaters in District 268 and then have them travel up and through the Marches as time progresses.

I'd be interested in how other people woyld/are approaching this.

- Neil.
 
Originally posted by Neil Ford:
To recap, here's Aramis' proposed sector layoutt:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | CRR | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | *** | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | Ref | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | ! | | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ??? | IM? | IM? | ??? | 2KW |
| | ** | ** | ** | ** | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
|(ASL)| ORV | S R | G R | C M | HIV |
| | ? | G | $ | $ | * |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ??? | SLC | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | | * * | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>
Click to expand...
[/quote]Here's my change: insert that extra row between the Core Worlds and the Solomani Rim. This gives space that the Terrans took when they defeated the Vilani, and the 3I took when it stood up from Night. The row between Core and Gvurrdon has Corridor. It's more for giving balance to the 3I, that is it has at least one sector between any other states and the Imperial Core.

*: Hive Federation. A place for the
**: These are "buffer" sectors have 3I territory in them, but only two of them should be fully Imperial.
* *: This is the Solomani Confederation. It is in here, but how large now works under YMMV rules.
***: Corridor. It gives frontierhood to the SM and protects the Imperial Core from those nasty Vargr.
!:Reft Sector. It doesn't have to be a big rift, just something that slow ships can't get around (there could be a Vanguard Reaches style fast route through).

Go ahead and tear it to shreds, but I think it gives something for PTists and others who want something more to share.
 
Originally posted by Neil Ford:
To recap, here's Aramis' proposed sector layoutt:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | CRR | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | *** | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | Ref | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | ! | | $ | $ | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ??? | IM? | IM? | ??? | 2KW |
| | ** | ** | ** | ** | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
|(ASL)| ORV | S R | G R | C M | HIV |
| | ? | G | $ | $ | * |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ??? | SLC | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | | * * | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>
Click to expand...
[/quote]Here's my change: insert that extra row between the Core Worlds and the Solomani Rim. This gives space that the Terrans took when they defeated the Vilani, and the 3I took when it stood up from Night. The row between Core and Gvurrdon has Corridor. It's more for giving balance to the 3I, that is it has at least one sector between any other states and the Imperial Core.

*: Hive Federation. A place for the
**: These are "buffer" sectors have 3I territory in them, but only two of them should be fully Imperial.
* *: This is the Solomani Confederation. It is in here, but how large now works under YMMV rules.
***: Corridor. It gives frontierhood to the SM and protects the Imperial Core from those nasty Vargr.
!:Reft Sector. It doesn't have to be a big rift, just something that slow ships can't get around (there could be a Vanguard Reaches style fast route through).

Go ahead and tear it to shreds, but I think it gives something for PTists and others who want something more to share.
 
I've accepte the need for an additional collumn, not an additional row. The SR need not be terribly far away.
 
I've accepte the need for an additional collumn, not an additional row. The SR need not be terribly far away.
 
As I have said previously, there's one change I would suggest for Aramis's sector map of the proto Imperium - I think a "corridor" sector should still exist between the core worlds and the Spinward Marches.

This would allow the Spinward Marches to be a true frontier. I'd have lots of jump 2-3 gaps between the worlds in Corridor so that Imperial expansion into the Marches took a while. And it's a bit of a buffer with the Vargr.

So it would look a bit like this:


</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | Cor-| Cor | Ley | G-S |
| | G |ridor| | $ | $ |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ORV |great| S R | G R | C M |
| | ? |rift | G | $ | $ |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | ??? | ??? |(Hiv)|
| | | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>[/QUOTE]G indicates use of the GDW sector.
$ indicates using the QLI sector.
 
As I have said previously, there's one change I would suggest for Aramis's sector map of the proto Imperium - I think a "corridor" sector should still exist between the core worlds and the Spinward Marches.

This would allow the Spinward Marches to be a true frontier. I'd have lots of jump 2-3 gaps between the worlds in Corridor so that Imperial expansion into the Marches took a while. And it's a bit of a buffer with the Vargr.

So it would look a bit like this:


</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | Cor-| Cor | Ley | G-S |
| | G |ridor| | $ | $ |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? | ORV |great| S R | G R | C M |
| | ? |rift | G | $ | $ |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | |
| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | ??? | ??? |(Hiv)|
| | | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ </pre>[/QUOTE]G indicates use of the GDW sector.
$ indicates using the QLI sector.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
I've accepte the need for an additional collumn, not an additional row. The SR need not be terribly far away.
Click to expand...
Which is why I added a column and not a row. Knowing Vargr, they'd have taken anything not Imperial or Zhodani (who I think should have a few more sectors, but since we're focusing on the Imperial), so that means the other ones above Core too. Capital should have at least one sector's worth of buffer from any border at all, on every side.
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
I've accepte the need for an additional collumn, not an additional row. The SR need not be terribly far away.
Click to expand...
Which is why I added a column and not a row. Knowing Vargr, they'd have taken anything not Imperial or Zhodani (who I think should have a few more sectors, but since we're focusing on the Imperial), so that means the other ones above Core too. Capital should have at least one sector's worth of buffer from any border at all, on every side.
 
</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | | |
| Zdt | Gvu |(Bfr)|(Vla)| ??? | ??? | ??? |
| | G | * | * | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | | |
| ??? | S M | DnC | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | G | * | * | j | j | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | | |
| ??? | ORV | DkN | S R | G R | C M | 2KW |
| | | * | G | j | j | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | | | |
| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | S F | ??? | ??? |(Hvr)|
| | | | * | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
G = GDW sector
j = JG Sector
* = PT Custom Sector
() = Descriptive</pre>[/QUOTE]I'm working on a subsectors alligience text-map...
 
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| | G | * | * | | | |
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| ??? | S M | DnC | Cor | Ley | M-A | ??? |
| | G | * | * | j | j | |
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| ??? |(Asl)| ??? | S F | ??? | ??? |(Hvr)|
| | | | * | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
G = GDW sector
j = JG Sector
* = PT Custom Sector
() = Descriptive</pre>[/QUOTE]I'm working on a subsectors alligience text-map...
 
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| A | A | A | A | A | A | S | S | S | S | S | S | S | C | H | H | H | H | H | H |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| A | A | A | A | A | A | S | S | S | S | S | S | S | H | H | H | H | H | H | H |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| A | A | A | A | | | | S | S | S | S | S | S | H | H | H | H | H | H | H |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| | | | | | | | S | S | S | S | S | | | H | H | H | H | H | H |
x---+---+---+---x---+---+---+---x---+---+---+---x---+---+---+---x---+---+---+---x
I Imperial
Iv Vliani Cutural
VAD Vegan Autonomous District
S Solomani
H Hive Federation
J not certain, Julian Protectorate?
c Client State
= Listed in modules as imperial, change to solomani
A Aslan
Ac Aslan Colonies
D Darrian
D S Darrian and Sword Worlds
K K'Kree
- various rifts.</pre>[/QUOTE]This is a proposal, not a set in stone kind of thing.
The Marches, the Soloman Rim have both been taken from the MT maps. Note that this revises the above to match up some of the Imperial map.

It reduces the imperium to 75 ss; less than half.
The Solomani are 33 ss. from 78.
 
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| V | V | V | V | | - | - | - | | | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| V | V | V | V | V | c | - | C | Iv| Iv| | | | J | J | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
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| |D S| I | I | I | - | - | I | I | I | I | I | I | I | I | c | | | | |
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| | | | | | | | S | S | S | S | S | | | H | H | H | H | H | H |
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I Imperial
Iv Vliani Cutural
VAD Vegan Autonomous District
S Solomani
H Hive Federation
J not certain, Julian Protectorate?
c Client State
= Listed in modules as imperial, change to solomani
A Aslan
Ac Aslan Colonies
D Darrian
D S Darrian and Sword Worlds
K K'Kree
- various rifts.</pre>[/QUOTE]This is a proposal, not a set in stone kind of thing.
The Marches, the Soloman Rim have both been taken from the MT maps. Note that this revises the above to match up some of the Imperial map.

It reduces the imperium to 75 ss; less than half.
The Solomani are 33 ss. from 78.
 
I might even trim Sigg's map some, due to not using the trailing sectors, and stick Reaver's Deep under the Solomani Rim... or not.

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| | G | | | |
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| | | | | |
| * | S M | Cor-| Cor | * |
| | G |ridor| | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | |
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| | |rift | G | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| | | | | |
| * |(Asl)| * | RD | * |
| | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+</pre>[/QUOTE]
 
I might even trim Sigg's map some, due to not using the trailing sectors, and stick Reaver's Deep under the Solomani Rim... or not.

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
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| | | | | |
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+</pre>[/QUOTE]
 
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