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Q: Order of Deneb, Order of the Spinward Marches, Order of the Third Imperium
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I was more trying to think on the Sector Orders. Not all Sectors with Imperial worlds will have orders, sure, but I was trying to figure out the order of precedence, and how many total orders there are. Here is a speculative list:
- Order of Alpha Crucis
- Order of Antares
- Order of Core
- Order of Corridor
- Order of Dagudashaag
- Order of Daibei
- Order of Delphi
- Order of the Deneb Frontier (has to be named something different than the Domain Order)
- Order of Diaspora
- Order of the Empty Quarter
- Order of Fornast
- Order of Gushemege
- Order of Ilelish Sector
- Order of Ley
- Order of Lishun
- Order of Massilia
- Order of the Old Expanses
- Order of the Reft
- Order of the Solomani Rim
- Order of the Spinward Marches
- Order of the Trojan Reach
- Order of the Verge
- Order of Vland
- Order of Zarushagar
Also, how would Corridor maintain an Order? It would take months for members to get from one side to the other. Do they have two Orders, Coreward and Rimward?
Just lots of pedantic questions on minutia that will probably never come up in game.
Each of the above potentially create conflicts with domain Orders. The Vland Domain Order was not always specified as "Ancient", and was originally reconstituted from the earlier pre-Domain Order of Vland created by Cleon I in year 0 or thereabouts, as were the Order of Sylea and Order of Terra that was later transformed into the Order of Sol in the 580s when the first Archduke was appointed to that Domain.
Perhaps:
- Sector Order of Antares
- Sector Order of Deneb
- Sector Order of Ilelish
- Sector Order of Vland
Yes .
Yes, in my home game wiki, I've started putting reference pages for the post nominals, ostensibly (in-game rationale) because people will look them up, but actually so that I can be sure I don't have duplicates.
You know, I have a new respect for the Imperial College of Heralds, as they have an absolute monster of a job. Made worse, probably, by Porfiria abolishing the rule of "no metals on metals, no colours on colours" in 247.
GypsyComet
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Incomplete because completing it is well beyond the needs of an actual game, and as of 1116, quite a lot of it is about to become obsolete.
That said, the Subsector Dukes of Verge and Fornast are projects I've undertaken. The Verge Dukes of 1116 are here on Citizens, and backdated to 1105 in the wiki. Fornast's 1105 Dukes are not in a public place. Yet.
Well, that's a great tease! I can't wait!
GypsyComet
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There's a topic here in "In the OTU" (currently on the second page of topics) for Verge that has that information. The backdating is in the subsector pages for Verge on the wiki. The two listings are generationally different in a few cases.
Some more sector dukes are told about in (I guess) canon sources. Those are the ones I could think about (and research from the sources I remember):
- According CT DA04 (Marooned/Marooned alone), the Duke of Harlequin sector (Solomani Rim) is Dmitri hault.Fionbrea in 1107
- According Challenge #62, Duchess Victoria of Oasis is the ruler of Oasis and wolf Subsectors (Zarushagard Sector)
- MT: Astrogator’s Guide to Diaspora mentioned Dukes Geraldo of Aluza and Withers of Pasdaruu being removed by Lucan in the middle 1120s, and Duke Ilirikgaadli of Sufren to have been ousted. They are not specifically refered as subsector dukes, but all of them are Dukes of a subsector capital...
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MT in particular seems to have used/introduced the particular style for Subsector Dukes in the name of the Capital World instead of the Subsector Name. Duke Craig of Warinir (world), for example, instead of Duke Craig of Edge (Subsector).
MThompson016
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IMTU, any subsector Duke can be the Grandmaster of his own order of Knights, and use it to reward the citizens of that subsector. However, the Emperor is always the Sovereign of the order, and has the ability to reject it. I based mine off the Order of Australia and the Legion of Honour.
However, most of those orders are pretty low in prestige, so anyone with any ambition aims for a Sector or Domain order, if not Imperial.
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However, most of those orders are pretty low in prestige, so anyone with any ambition aims for a Sector or Domain order, if not Imperial.
Order of Solar Excellence
There are many orders of chivalry throughout the Third Imperium. All of them, of course, recognize the Emperor as sovereign, but ...
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IMTU, any subsector Duke can be the Grandmaster of his own order of Knights, and use it to reward the citizens of that subsector. However, the Emperor is always the Sovereign of the order, and has the ability to reject it. I based mine off the Order of Australia and the Legion of Honour.
However, most of those orders are pretty low in prestige, so anyone with any ambition aims for a Sector or Domain order, if not Imperial.
Order of Solar Excellence
There are many orders of chivalry throughout the Third Imperium. All of them, of course, recognize the Emperor as sovereign, but ...
That is similar to what was first introduced in Cirque de Cirkas and Imperiallines #7 as "Retainer Knights", which are more or less Bachelor Knighthoods (as far as their official standing goes) put forth by Subsector Dukes for their own needs, and have standing really only as far as the Subsector Duke's reach, or for others who care to extend the courtesy further, but are otherwise recommended to an Archduke or the Emperor for promotion to an actual Order for official sanction (or at least to an Imperial/Archducal Bachelorship). Their form is "Knight Retainer, [Subsector Name]".
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I have been giving thought to the foundation dates for the following Orders.
- Order of the Cube and Order of Fusion: Both of these are awarded for advancement of science. I'm thinking one might have been created by Porfiria or Anguistus, to recognize whoever it was who invented jump-4, which would put the foundation of that one at maybe 320 (Porfiria) to 330 (Anguistus). Alternatively, the Order of Fusion could have been created due to the invention of FusionPlus which would put the formation at around Year 0. That would make the Order of the Cube younger by several centuries.
- Order of Distinguished Merit: An award for diplomacy seems like it would be developed by an Emperor who values diplomacy. I figure a good candidate is Artemsus, as a reward for those who helped him with the Pacification Campaigns (76 to 120)
- Order of the Plume: Awarded for achievement in the arts and literature. This one is very up-in-the-air. The only specifically Third Imperium author we have in canonical sources is Trallian Nerst, who lived sometime in the 300s and wrote The Eighteen, a popular dramatic epic. If Trallian was one of the earliest recipients, then the Order would probably have been created by Anguistus or Martin III; Martin is particularly known for a long and peaceful rule, which might be the right time for such an Order to be created.
- Order of the Sword: Awarded to recognize meritorious service in the Armed Forces. I really feel this one is very, very old. The "sword" does bring up the idea of the Navy's emblem. Probably made by Cleon.
- Order of the Victor: Awarded for military victories. I also think this one is old. Probably another Cleon Order, made early during the military operations that truly turned the Sylean Federation into the Third Imperium.
Oh, and I filled this out for my campaign; perhaps someone else will also find it useful. The ranks are pure @whulorigan .
Thanks for the mention. Yes, those ranks are entirely speculative on my part (and noted as such), and based on the Knights of the Order of Vland and the names of the Vilani Army Officer Ranks.
If anyone has some alternative suggestions, feel free to contribute.
- The Order of Ashurgash was specifically stated to be for Military Officers (nominally Vilani)
- The Order of the Sword was stated to be for Military Veterans
- The Order of the Victor is Unspecified (metagame grant)
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Alternate:
- Order of the Victor = For active-duty Military personnel (usually but not exclusively Officer) who majorly contribute to a military victory in some fashion (including, but not limited to, actions/tactics and/or strategy)
- Order of the Cube = For successful Military Strategists whose planning leads to major victories or achievements, perhaps including military researchers in the sciences and engineering fields (i.e. metagame reference to the wargaming element)
- Order of Distinguished Merit = Diplomacy / Ambassadorial Service / Foreign Office
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Yeah, that seems like a good spread of Orders for different things. We already have the Order of Fusion for scientific achievement, so having two would possibly be overkill; the Imperium definitely seems to have a lot of "military fetishist" nobles. The canonical Order of the Cube member is Duke Norris (before getting promoted) and he was Imperial Naval Intelligence, so it definitely seems to track with the sorts of accomplishments he might have had:
Might have been something he did in Diaspora, maybe the same that resulted in him being promoted to lieutenant commander. Diaspora is close to the Solomani Confederation, so there's plenty of potential for espionage and counter-espionage.
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Oh and a note: I made the Sovereign of the Order of Ashurgash not Strephon. My main reasoning is, while the Emperor is frequently sovereign of the Imperium-wide Orders by default, he is also, most critically, not pure Vilani. He's of Sylean extraction: mixed Vilani, Solomani and Sylean. A Vilani cultural Order should have a Vilani sovereign. It's an unforgivable sin, bot being Vilani!
I found no references on who the Lord Marshal of the Army is in 1100-1105, nor did I find who the Grand Admiral is. I feel like those were in some supplement, possibly Megatraveller which I didn't play.
I found no references on who the Lord Marshal of the Army is in 1100-1105, nor did I find who the Grand Admiral is. I feel like those were in some supplement, possibly Megatraveller which I didn't play.
Perhaps the Archduke of Vland. While he is head of only a single Domain, he is also the senior figure of the Vilani cultural region. His family, the Tauribi's, have held the Domain since it's founding and their aristocratic Vilani status stretches even farther back than that. (Or perhaps a Noble relative of his who served?)
