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Terran Confederation/Solomani Imperium

First, the magnwets question:
"The simple explanation is it is a force effect field produced when electrons move in the same direction,e.g. in a current carrying wire.
In magnetic metals such as iron, cobalt and nickel the simple model is a bit different. You have to imagine the bar is made up of tiny magnets, or domains, which can line up so as to produce an overall magnetic field. Each domain is a tiny crystal made of atoms joined in such a way that their outer electrons can flow around the crystal to produce this small magnet. You can actually produce a magnet by taking an unmagnetic iron bar, orientating it north to south and then braying the dickens out of it witha hammer."

Do we know why this happens? Why the magenetic effect is created? Why tiny magnets exist and make up domains? I've never managed to get a decent answer to this, which sort of explains why I don't really think we understand it too well.

We can do lots of applications stuff, but do we actualy know why it happens? (This is a question, not an argument).
 
"Chapter and verse please" certainly sounds like a demand to me. Sounds a lot like the sort of arrogant, offhand demand that I justify something that I receive on a regular basis. Maybe it wasn't meant that way.

Thus far the playtest is very young. The history of charted space, an overview of the sucessor states and a procedutre for collapsing/reconstructing worlds is all we've looked at (a mere 100,000 words or so, pehaps 1/3 of the book).

So far there has been a great deal of feedback. IN some cases I have considered the points but decided that nothing need be done. SOme sections will be rewritten as a result. To give a single example, the fate of Antares needs greater development and will receive it.

Some sections will be rearranged as a result of feedback. The collapse/recovery mechanic is already evolving.

The main result of the playtest so far is 'yes, that's unclear; I'll rework it'. There has been at least one major clanger caught by an astute reader.

In other cases, People have said 'you might not want to do that, because...' and the matter is still under consideration.

It is indeed, early days.

I do have a policy of ignorng people who give 'feedback' like 'justify that in terms of canon. give refereneces', though where someone can point out a contrsadictory reference (there are often many different, contradictory 'facts') then that helps.

I casn't give examples of why the feedback has helped and what points it has raised because I'd end up giving away a lot of closed-forum details. So I won't.
 
The Solomani INmperium and Terran Commonwealth are both roughly 8 subsectors in size, about a sector apart.

The Commonwealth is more scattered asmight be expected, the SI is a more solid powerbloc.
 
Point 1

Mr Whipsnade may I thank you for an astute analysis of the Virus. I hope this debate can continue on a civil track here or elsewhere.

I think Mal's point about the transmission of the virus across radio waves is a good point - Is it like a download on the net today - it transmits some software that reactivates something in the deyo chip? Thats the only way it makes real sense to me - can you offer an alternative or expansion on this?

In which case do we postulate therefore that all chips in the Imperium contain some element of the deyo architecture viz the now ill fated discussion regarding toasters?

Point 2

Posted by Sigg Odra

Oh, and Elliot. You did mention Virus, anti-Viral strategies, and Cymbeline chips in your original post
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

The Solomani fascist in me was just trying to steer this largely profitable debate back to my original question: which was how did the Terrans develop in the context of the material set out in SM (if indeed they did - MJD had not posted on that point yet and (I think) still hasn't). In the original post I brought Virus/Cymbeline chips up in the context of a possible way in which Terra survived the attacks of the vampire fleets given that they are the hateful planet of the humans.

Given the heat still left from the fallout of the DN days I should have predicted the way the board would go. For bringing this many headed hydra of contention up I apologise.

I didn't think that the existence of TC/SI was official playtest material as MJD has opened up facts about the TC/SI on these boards. If I am told it is playtest material I would gladly stop this debate in a flash and go elsewhere.
 
Malenfant wrote:

"I think we really do need to make crystal clear the distinctions between Virus, the Cymbeline chips, and the Deyo transponders."


Mr. Malenfant,

I found it best to think of those relationships in evolutionary and taxonomic terms. Think of the Cymbeline chips, the Deyo transponders, and Virus as all arranged under a single genus, much like Sapiens, Habilis, Neanderthal, and others are arranged under the genus Homo. The biggest difference being with the Viral Genus is that two members; Virus and Deyo, are products of 'geneering'.

"The biggest problem I think is how Virus - which is basically just code transmitted via EM radiation into a computer - can somehow magically rewrite ANY physical hardware."

Sez who? ;)

That may be just a bit of 'common knowledge', something everyone knows and something that isn't exactly quite true. Ponder this; does Viru re-write circuits while still 'just' a code or does it re-write circuits after it has gained a certain measure of control within its host? Where do we draw the line?

"This made some kind of sense with the Deyo chips, because there you had Virus overwriting chips that were evolved from those on Cymbeline. So presumably they had whatever was built into them to allow rewriting to happen. It doesn't make sense with an ordinary silicon chip."

Remember my mention of syphilis earlier? Keep it in mind. Here's another point to ponder - google 'lichen'. Also, remember, the Virus released at Omnicron is not the Virus found in 1200.

"I think Virus itself makes more sense to me if I think of it as literally an AI virus. There's none of this rewriting of hardware then - it's all done in the software. OK, it's an AI virus that can infect any computer at all, but that's more reasonable to me than having it rewriting physical chips on a motherboard."

How about re-writing the 57th Century version of EPROMs? And how many physical changes does Virus really make to a computer anyway?

I'm still polishing and grammar checking. The last post will arrive today.


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
MJD explained:

"Chapter and verse please" certainly sounds like a demand to me."


Sir,

To me; its writer, it does not. Then again, perception is reality.

"Maybe it wasn't meant that way."

It was not. It was a innocent query rapidly typed by a fat old fool with a copy of Signal GK sitting in his lap.

"Thus far the playtest is very young." (snip of further playtest information)

That is all very good news indeed.

"I do have a policy of ignorng people who give 'feedback' like 'justify that in terms of canon. give refereneces', though where someone can point out a contrsadictory reference (there are often many different, contradictory 'facts') then that helps."

Unlike Mr. Elliot's post of January 3rd, complete with page numbers and quotes from Signal GK? There are your references for the canonical abilities of the Cymbeline chips.

"I casn't give examples of why the feedback has helped and what points it has raised because I'd end up giving away a lot of closed-forum details. So I won't."

As I pointed out to Mr. Oddra earlier, you shouldn't.

I have read your explanatory post regarding Viral psionics in the Virus Thread. Did we worry-warts get it wrong the first time? I notice you use the term 'intrinsically', as in 'Virus is not intrinsically psionic'. Were your ideas conflated? Or did they change?


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
Gravitics.

The most basic principle of 3I computing is using anti grav/thruster plate technology to physically align a network of silicon nanostruts in to an optimised form for carrying out the calculation that is desired.

Its the ultimate in RISC architecture! For every operation only needed components exist, and they change to something else for the next one.

The Virus takes control of the mechanism that does this and uses it to create a primitive form of the cymbaline chip manufactuing element inside the core itself.

This of course, is why 3I computers are so big.

The logic bits themselves are small, but the supporting AG gear makes the standard block in to something about the size of a computer card in the late 1970's.

:)

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Never liked the artificial/natural thing.

An A-bomb doesn't add anything to the universe that wasn't already there. Man just arranges what he has in such a way as to produce an interesting result.
 
Well, this thread is proving useful in temrs of me learning how to make Virus clear.

Not Intriniscally Psionic means that Virus is not a psionic being; each and every Viral entitiy does not have telepathy etc as defined in the rulebooks.

Psionic Vampires may be possible; minds are minds.

Some of the abilities of Virus look like psionics. Researchers don't really know if they're related, the same, or different.
 
And, if I may pipe in, we do not know what causes psionics in Traveller. I had always played it, as Asimov taught us in Foundation. The powers of the brain are yet unexplored and as we advance technically we may yet uncover more of the brain's secrets through accident or mutation.

Then T4 came around with the handwave stating psions were elemental particles of the universe. Do I accept it. No. Does that mean that I could not see the virus as psionic? No, as well. Why?

Because, for the sake of game unity I am prepared to accept whatever MJD tells me the virus is. What it actually becomes will be up to me, in the course of campaigning. Mr. Whip. certainly convinced me that there is a whole other aspect that I hadn't thought and hope that his comments will be incorporated as it seems logical.
 
Originally posted by MJD:
Well, this thread is proving useful in temrs of me learning how to make Virus clear.

Not Intriniscally Psionic means that Virus is not a psionic being; each and every Viral entitiy does not have telepathy etc as defined in the rulebooks.

Psionic Vampires may be possible; minds are minds.

Some of the abilities of Virus look like psionics. Researchers don't really know if they're related, the same, or different.
While high tech gear manipulating the very fabric of the universe (see the jump drive etc.) doesn'y punch my buttons anywhere near as much as using the dreaded trigger words*, this still means that virus somehow reaches through a com line and then invokes its notpsionics to rewrite circuits.

Or else even pulling wires wouldn't save you, as it could still reach in and change stuff. And why only computers?

Also, I think this means that Virus wins not because its clever and plays the game well but because it cheats, and you know how I hate that.

But is it cheating to bring panzers and blitzkrieg to a war when no one is expecting?

I might say no, because they are still playing with the same tools, just used in different ways.

Or possibly I'm just somking crack with that one.

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Note that subverting an already present feature of high tech computers avoids all this...

*Funny that innit. Something to do with annoyance with what I percieve as Power Of The Mind hippy crap.

Although thats certainly a part of foundation like scifi.

And one can easily say that people in traveller are works of the Ancients, and hence High Tech Gear in themselves.

And there is some odd shit in the world. We just don't notice it as much as we should, so it doesn't get marked as odd.

Aeroplanes frex. How bloody convenient is that fluid mechanics eh?
 
Originally posted by Larsen E. Whipsnade:
How about re-writing the 57th Century version of EPROMs? And how many physical changes does Virus really make to a computer anyway?
Yeah, but this seems to be changing the physical structure of the hardware itself. When you update RAM, you just replaced the info stored in the chips, you don't physically rewire the silicon chips.

For that you need nanotechnology - the chips themselves must be 'mutable'. That's the only conceivable way for hardware itself to be altered by programming - the program tells the nanites what to do, and they re-arrange the chip.

That would be a very nice explanation for how Virus works, I think. Though it would mean that it could only affect technology that has those nanites in them already - the Deyo chips might have that, but ordinary chips won't.

And of course, all this assumes that the Imperium uses silcon chips for its processing.
 
Gentlemen,

Let me begin with a recap.

First, we want to answer the Virus Question without resorting to additional deus ex machinas. Virus was a blatant editorial fait accompli and suffered greatly for that. The answer to Virus shouldn't make the same mistake. Two deus ex machinas do not cancel each other out. All deus ex machinas do is imbue a sense of fatalism in the Hobby; why play the game if the Line Editors can change everything on a whim?

Second, we want to avoid using any handwaves in our answer to the Virus Question. Handwaves are canonical 'facts' that are hopefully applied retroactively to plug holes, add precision, and address problems. They must be carefully crafted so that they address their target and nothing else. The problem with nearly all handwaves is either that they are not or cannot be so carefully crafted. They also tend to affect areas that weren't planned for at all. So, if at all possible, 'No New Handwaves'. If that isn't possible then, 'Only Tiny Handwaves'.

Third, I believe we can answer the Virus Question using a motief already found in Traveller; the change of perspective. We can look at the canonical facts from a new angle and draw different conclusions from them.

Next, let me quickly review my 'beliefs' regarding Virus;

Virus is natural, not artifical - It was bred from a previously existing sophont species and not built from the 'ground up'.

The best carbon-biological analog for Virus is that of a prion - Virus in its transmission state is not sentient and cannot be classified as alive either. At best, it only has the potential for sentience and life. It is a prion that 'may' or 'could' grow into something 'better'.

Virus is a genus, not a species - Different Viral strains are as diverse as different biological species.

Virus is not intrinsically sentient - Viral sentience depedns wholly on the capabilities of its host, as are nearly all of Virus' other abilities. Without a host, Virus is cybernetic prion - all it can due is 'infect' and hope for the best. In the prion state, Virus cannot choose what to infect. (Although its progenitor may have chose for it).

Virus is not a chip - Virus can eschew any physical body - IF it wishes to 'drop' back into the prion-like state. Virus can go 'virtual'. The analogy is weak and too much has been read into it, but Virus is more akin to an operating system than a chip.

Virus is a living weapon - Orignally, Virus was a living, idiot-savant, cybernetic, weapon purposely bred from a fully sentient cybernetic sophont. Virus was the result of an eugenics program or in other words - directed evolution. Once Virus was released, its evolution was far different.


Enough of the recaps. Let's take the Whipsnadian Way-Back Machine to the last years of the 15th Century and northern Italy...

In 1494, Charles VIII King of France, took an army over the Alps into Italy. He also took history's first seige train. Artillery had been used before; either small bell-shaped cannon that threw arrows and bolts or huge stone-firing bombards that were actually cast in place during a seige. Charles' artillery was different. It was very mobile by the standards of the day and he had quite a lot of it.

Nothing in northern Italy could stand up to him. The walls of the various Renaissance city-states and duchies; fortifications that had laughed at catpults and trebuchets for centuries, tumbled down in days. The seige train also dominated any battlefield, troops sent against the French king were slaughtered. Charles and his army seemed unstoppable. Then they ran into something which killed so many of them that Charles had to retreat back over the Alps in early 1495 after losing a battle in which he was badly outnumbered. The king didn't even have enough artillerymen to operate his previously formidable seige train. What had happened?

Syphilis happened.

Now just wait one minute, you repulsive, rotund reprobate, the reader interjects. Syphilis? That takes years to kill, decades even. Lord Randolph Churchill; Winston's father, live for close to 20 years after being diagnosed, and that without any real medical treatment. Sure, syphilis kills, but it kills slowly.

It sure does, this corpulent correspondant replies, syphilis kills over years. Or, more accurately, the strains of syphilis we're familiar in modern times kill over years. But what was syphilis like in 1494? I can tell you what it was like in 1494; syphilis was a rapid killer taking only days or weeks to run the course between infection and death. Only two things kept syphilis from becoming a 'slate wiper'; another Black Death, its mode of transmission and the fact that it killed too quickly.

Contrary to popular belief, syphilis existed in the Old World before Columbus made his voyages. Among the evidence are contemporary accounts, exhumed graves in England, and examination of bones in the ossiaries of Classic Era Greek city-states in Italy, all of which point to syphilis' pre-Columbian existence in the Old World. Syphilis existed in the New World too. Both strains were more like the strains we're familiar with today; they took decades to kill.

Why was the 1494 strain; a quick killer, so different from the strain before it? It is because the 1494 strain was a evolutionary hybrid.

During the voyages of 1492 and 1493, Columbus' sailors acted as sailors have always acted; they got frisky with the locals. Some of the Caribes' were infected with the New World syphilis strain and either some of Columbus' men were or some of their 'friends' back in the Old World were infected with the Old World strain. The two strains met, mixed, and produced the hybrid quick-killing 1494 strain; a strain neither Old or New Worlds were prepared for.

The 1494 strain may have been a quick killer but from an evolutionary standpoint it was a failure. Evolutionary success boils down to passing along your genetic blueprint and the 1494 strain usually killed its hosts far too quickly for that occur! This quick killing syphilis 'put itself out of work', it was too 'good', too fast, at killing. (This is one reason why we have little to fear from ebola as opposed to SARS. Ebola kills much too quickly, usually before its host can infect anyone else. However, if ebola ever evolves patience...)

Why have I told this story about sexually transmitted diseases in the 15th Century? Because I'd like you to keep these points in mind:

- Evolutionary changes can occur quite rapidly and in a non-linear fashion.
- An evolutionary change can open a previously untouched niche or niches to a lifeform; 'virgin fields' as it were.
- Diseases that are 'good' at killing their hosts are 'poor' at longterm survival. They usually kill their hosts before they can find and infect a new one.

Got all that? Good! Let's use the Whipsnadian Way-Back Machine to jump forward to the late 11th Century of our make-believe Imperium...


Transponders are so necessary. Cops love them, the navy loves them, everyone but smugglers love them. They let everyone know who you are and where you are, pretty nice when you consider that an accident aboard a starship usually occurs in places where you can't step outside and wait for help.

However, building, installing, and checking up on all the transponders needed by all the shipping within the borders of an 11,000 world interstellar empire is a monumental pain in the ass.

What's an Imperium to do? The ideal solution would be to have an Imperial agent sitting aboard each ship, but then you'd need to worry about salaries, pay scales, vacations, unions, corruption, and a host of other headaches. That's impossible. There's nothing for it but to knuckle down and set up all the record offices, manufacturing facilities, technicians, file clerks, and what not all across the Imperium. They'll play a never ending game of 'catch-up' with all those Imperially-mandated transponders and too many ships will fall through the cracks.

Then some bright light with the morals of Mengele reads an academic paper being circulated on the sly by Imperial Army Intelligence. It seems some world out on the Rim sports a population of honest-to-Ghu sentient computer chips. There are the Imperial agents you can place onboard every ship! No salary, no vacations, no families, they're only semi-conductors! Don't worry if they have certain attributes that aren't suited for the job, we'll 'breed' it out of them. Are you worried that they are sophonts? Don't be bothered, you can argue that they're an artifical lifeform and, if they're artificial, they don't count.

An eugenics and geneering program can work very quickly when you're dealing with a lifeform that can breed very quickly. When taken out of their resource-poor enviroment and given plenty of energy, a higher grade of silicon, and all the trace elements they need, the Cymbeline chips can breed as fast as their internal CPU's clock rate. Who knows how many chip generations passed during the project's life?

The first bits to go were the chips' parasitic and predatory tendencies. Next was getting rid of anything having to do with physical mobility. We don't want them moving about looking for food or prey. After all, they've got a job to do.

Next to go was the chip's intelligence. They aren't going to be hunting for other chips or any of the materials they need. They won't even need to worry about 'food'; they be plugged into a power source. They won't need to be that smart at all. All they'll need to do is recognize each other and check themselves against a known standard. The lobotomy required is easy; these things are only as smart as their physical components allow them to be! Poor grade chip or poor trace materials and you've got a dumb sophont. Starve 'em mentally and they'll stay easy to manage!

It was a nice and easy job. The Deyo Transponder fit the Imperium's needs perfectly because the Deyo Transponder was an idiot-savant sophont puposely bred to fit those needs. These descendents of the wild Cymbeline chips were twisted by an 'eugenics' program to suit the needs of its captors. Yeah you could suppose they were sentient, barely. They could be sentient if they were hooked up to better systems, so we don't do that. That way they aren't really sentient. Besides, they're artificial remember?. They don't count.

As the Deyo program wound down, some bright light looking for continued funding whispered 'weapon' in the right ears. We don't know what the project's original name was. We don't know what the researchers involved called their creation. We don't even know how far they got before Strephon was shot and Lucan mounted the Throne. We do know that the project was housed at Research Station Omnicron by the 1130s. And we also know that the researchers couldn't get the project to work.

That's right, it didn't work. Their nifty cybernetic virus that utilized and built upon the predatory abilities of Cymbeline sophont chips didn't work. It infected target systems readily enough, they just couldn't get it to stop afterwards. There was no off switch, no holster to put it back in, no returning to its hangar after a mission. Why? Simple, once the prion was released, once it infected a target, it became alive, so alive that even the comforting lie about it being artificial no longer worked. Not only did it become alive, it got smarter too.

Hold it you portly pariah!, the reader interjects. Answer this one; If all these early versions of what would become Virus kept slipping the leash, how come the Deyo Transponder chips didn't do the same? Simple, my boy, simple, this fat fool replies. Reaching up my sleeve, I produce a single word; Evolution.

As you all undoubtedly know, the evolution of any living thing is driven by its enviroment. Examine the Deyo chips enviroment. It lives in a container of 'hull metal' with a carefully rationed supply of electricity/food. The only materials available to the Deyo chip are those that are installed in the transponder. The Deyo chips are also 'lobotomized'; the predatory and parasitic abilities their ancestors employed have been removed. Because the Imperium controls the Deyo chips' enviroment, the Imperium controls the Deyo chips' evolution. Indeed, the known 'mutation rate', i.e. evolution, of Deyo chips is one of its hallmarks! A good portion of the transponder's operation depends on that steady mutation rate.

Now examine the proto-Virus. The Imperium does not control its enviroment, so the Imperium cannot control its evolution. Unlike the Deyo chips, the predatory and parasitic abilities of the proto-Virus have been enhanced beyond those found in its Cymbeline ancestors. Indeed, those abilities were the very reasons proto-Virus was developed in the first place. It is was makes it a weapon. Once the proto-Virus is released, the Imperium has no control over how its enviroment, so no control over how it evolves, and - remember - because it is a cybernetic lifeform, it can evolve as fast as its CPU cycles.

The quote is there in TNE, right there in black and white. The researchers at Omnicron beg their overseers not to release Virus, beg them to inform an Emperor who handles bad news with a pistol shot, that this 'super weapon' is not ready. Several of them even throw their lives away in a futile attempt to warn the other factions, an attempt that also happens to backfire horrifically. What are the reasons for their concerns? They cannot 'control the mutation rate'. They cannot contol Virus' evolution once it is released into the 'wild'. And if they cannot control Virus' evolution - they cannot control Virus itself.

What happened when Dulinor's strike teams released Virus at Omnicron and Virus met the Deyo chips? Well, do remember what happened when Old World syphilis met New World syphilis? Charles VIII, King of France does.


This post has gone on long enough. Next time; what happened after Deyo met Virus, why the Imperium was easy meat, and why those who weren't easy meat fell anyway. Oh, and the Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1919 too! ;)


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
Malenfant wrote:

"Yeah, but this seems to be changing the physical structure of the hardware itself."

"For that you need nanotechnology - the chips themselves must be 'mutable'. That's the only conceivable way for hardware itself to be altered by programming - the program tells the nanites what to do, and they re-arrange the chip."


Mr. Malenfant,

Have you been peeking? ;)

Remember my bit about tiny handwaves?

"Though it would mean that it could only affect technology that has those nanites in them already - the Deyo chips might have that, but ordinary chips won't."

It isn't nanotechnology anyway, but it is self-configuring chips. We're fooling around with self-configuring chips now at TL7 or 8.

And just because Virus' 'ancient' forebearers, the Cymbeline sophont chips, were able to physcially etch circuits doesn't mean that Virus does precisely that. The Cymbeline chips live inside an atmosphere that acts as a giant doping oven. Virus doesn't. What Virus can do is reconfigure chips to meet its own needs. Maybe it etches a few pathways too, but it doesn't create chips from 'scratch'. Only the Cymbeline chips do that. Cymbeline chips and Virus may be related but they reproduce very, very, very differently.

"And of course, all this assumes that the Imperium uses silcon chips for its processing."

They may or may not. Remember, Virus isn't a chip, its an OS of sorts. It doesn't matter what it runs on. All that matters is what happens when it does run.

Glad to see someone figure it out ahead of time. Good job!


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
Let me examine some of this from a technical viewpoint:

We have a virus, a logical algorithmic construct or some kind of advanced neural net, that exists in hardware, software, firmware - any place that memory and processing resources allow it to execute. It has whatever capabilities it can bring with it, as constrained by the hardware it is running in. It may well be a heuristic program and it likely has a capacity to network with other viral instances.

Now, let's just imagine something like this today:

It would be a combination of an Internet and cellphone Worm, that would also target wireless routers, WAP access points, various wireless networks, along with wireline and after infecting various analyzers and manufacturing machinery, even custom built hardware that isn't normally connected to the outside world.

It might have a guiding neural net, it might have ,in addition to some individual capability, a larger capability to interact, to network and to perhaps form a common mass mind. At the very least, it might use some sort of service architecture that allows sharing of services and advertising of same.

We all like reprogrammable devices - we've got flash memory on our PC motherboards, in our cars, in our cellphones, in our PDAs, and many other less obvious places. We're also creating more and more converged devices. Maybe by the time of the 3I, it has become cheap enough to manufacture nearly every chip with a big brain, lots of memory, a wireless link, etc. -- even if it isn't normally used. Microprocesors in modern cars and CPUs in modern computers are rarely taxed (games and a few other apps aside). But it is actually cheaper to slap a bigger chip in most of these cases if that's the current cheapest-to-manufacture solution. Even if it means your lawnmower could actually outpace the Apollo LEM, if it was using its horsepower. It isn't.

But maybe what the Traveller virus does is harness a huge amount of latent capability in all of these devices. The capability is already there, thus removing from the virus an awful ugly burden. It is ubiqitous and in most or all high-tech computers, even seemingly dumb ones (why make separate, dumb chips? You never know when you might need to install a patch remotely to the fridge or when someone might want to add a music player to the coffee maker...). So maybe all the Virus does is use what the environment provides.

No psionics, no massive gravitics, no whacking amounts of handwaving required. No need to have hardware remade. Just software and firmware. And that, to an extent, we can do today.

And the virus is probably self modifying code or a learning heuristic system like a neural net - where as new input is added, it impacts the existing program. Taken to an extreme, this might allow the generation of new capabilities over generations. Taken that a generations speed is 'as fast as the hardware clock is running' (as Mr. LEW says), many generations (shockingly many) could be developed in a very few human years - probably more than the human researchers could hope to examine, fathom, or even control.

The virus literally is the Pandora's Box of the 3I - it utilizes a common software and hardware infrastructure, probably imposed by standardization and economics, along with harnessing latent software and hardware power, and it takes advantage of converged devices, the number of remote services and componentware solutions that will be present and the amount of invisible wireless interconnectivity that will be present even in TL-10 societies. And with that, it does what every other organism does - grows, breeds, evolves, and competes. And tries to stay alive and expand.

That probably explains all the strains.

And why the scientists were in utter terror of this. It was a *bad* idea.

Of course, in theory, an alllied life form of this nature could help prevent infections - sort of like infecting yourselves with a positive virus strain. There isn't really any reason to assume that all virus instances are hostile - the smarter they get, the more they may tend to evolve alternative behaviours. In fact, we've seen variants that manage humans for the virus' benefit. I can conceive of even more evolved variants that actually partner with humans, thus offering the defence humans need to stop the virus from wiping them out. Of course, competing and warring virus strains help there too - when you get to the top of your local heap, you find lots of other instances of the virus competing with you for control of things. So you end up fighting them too...

Interesting topic, really.
 
Mr Whipsnade.
I said I was impressed by part 1. Part 2 is magnificent. I am going to run out of words for part 3, I fear ;) .

Having read this, and agreeing with it all totally so far, one word springs to mind.

Slavery.

The 3rd Imperium becomes the biggest slave trader in recorded "history". How many of these transponders were out there? Every starship and spacecraft operating in the Imperium to start.

Did Virus, newly aware of Its status as slave and servant, expendable, aware of its "cousins" slavery not act in a way many rebellious slave populations would have reacted if they were given the keys to the armoury?

Some, though not myself, would even argue there is some moral justification in its actions.

You have provided much to think about.

Thank you.
 
Sigg Oddra, has just reminded me of a Russian expression...who makes the worst masters? Former slaves.

Just food for thought.
 
Larsen

What can I say...

Beautiful, Elegant, awesome

To add a few asides (which is all I can do)

Evolution: Lets remeber Signal GK p,42 - 'many millions of distinct chip types evolved' - Quick and unpredicable evolution was a hall mark of the original species. As you say - the Deyo chip had this bred out - but huge mutation was a feature of the original life form. So it was with Virus.

Deyo Chips: Think of the vast amount of Deyo chips needed for the Imperium and its trade partners. No transponder = get shot at by Navy, so install transponders unless you are part of an enemy war fleet. That means that every sector of the 3I and probably those beyond has a deyo chip manufacturing plant. If you are a chip processor and not making Deyo chips you are probably not in business. With that kind of economy of scale it is conceivable that the ubiquitous toaster has a deyo based chip in it purely because the processing plant uses the same basic material for everything.

What happens to non deyo chipped ships? Virus can get in MJD has said that - further if Virus is a prion it doesn't need a deyo to inhabit. But it does have difficulties - it has to 'cut' (reconfigure) the silicon somewhat and in doing so the Virus personality evolves in a strange way. Hence a Droyne ship's electronic architecture perverts the virus into a strange form (although the Droyne ship in Smash and Grab probably had a Deyo chip in it as it was in Imperial spact). It may not be as quick to infect but following LW's virus analogy it might find itself all the better for it.

Slavery: CT pronounced Cleon's law regarding the rights of all sophonts - It is clear from Research Station Gamma that the Imperium pretty much ignored its own law and reclassified sophont species as 'animals' in order to experiment on their abilities if it suited them (i.e. Chirpers). As the Droyne adventure in Alien Realms indicates chirpers did not receive much protection under that law. It did the same with the Cymbelinelings.

The 3I was utterly hypocritical in its views - an immoral system. As Sigg says - it paid the price by giving its creation the Imperium's ultimate weapon. Will this lesson be learnt in 1248? I don't think so.

Which kind of brings me back to an earlier post on this board - what happens when a virus meets a Cymbeline chip? Any thoughts.
 
Hey - as an even more obscure aside I just noticed this from the library data in TD10, p.25 (official date 251-1116)

'The Imperial Naval Base at Celetron is hard at work on a self aware starship project. While only a ground based proto-type has been produced, the project's technicians are hopeful that an independently intelligent interstellar vehicle will be produced by the end of this century; partial applications of the technology, such as safer navigation and more accurate ship to ship combat should come sooner'.
 
Good work, Elliot. It is about time that I do many re-read of the Traveller Digests in my collection.

I guess all this confirms why the Virus is considered canon (other than the fact that it came under the GDW logo) because whoever executed had an excellent grasp of Traveller history. It was just sad that the offerings of TNE did not live up to what was being developed for Hard Times or some of the MT Rebellion stuff...as I for one was one who loved Hard Times but couldn't relate to TNE(later on I began to appreciate the milieu after the Regency sourcebook but then it was too late).

Plus, talk about awful timing the inital release of TNE in Canada was the Players Forms, Ref. screen and Vampire Ships. Talk about wanting to commit suicide...plus, when you look at what Challenge had mutated into (as opposed to its early promising years in around 1985), I had collected my Traveller and was quite prepared to throw in the towel.
 
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