Weird, it's a thought, I'm thinking of the damping of radioactive isotopes... something though...
The Frozen Watch - how long?
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Weird, it's a thought, I'm thinking of the damping of radioactive isotopes... something though...
Lycanorukke
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It was Digest 21 - the same on I got the 25years/1wound from.
The widget is the 'gravisonic modulator' (TL-11+) - by removing motion from molecules you remove heat (roughly the same way they have molecular "laser coolers" today). Before that supercooled fluids were used to snap freeze people (quick, nasty and dangerous) hence the Low Lottery.
I dont think it would stop radio-decay as that is not heat dependent. That would be Ancient stasis tech or n-dampers.
The one I read started at TL 13. Anyway, they both stop motion down to the sub-atomic level. That stops decay in Trav as accel prolongs meson decay. Accel simply imparts a force of motion like grav that "slows time".
And, given the body is probably pumped with low grade agathatics, it would keep the body young and strong even as the mind ages. My biggest problem is how deal with the mind. I have dealt with this by essentially brain washing techniques that keeps the mind subdued during the long sleep. The disorientation has to quickly pass and this is dealt by pharmacological intervention.
With the grav technique, there is no problem.
And, why is that? Even if the person is comatose their mind is still active and how much would depend the body perceiving motion even if that is regulated by grav techniques. Furthermore, the mind does still need stimulation and this would especially be true for combat troops. Without going all 40K here but the soldiers of the Imperium would be conditioned to fight at the drop of the hat...whomever or whatever threat exists...this is especially true of the Frozen Watch.
Because when there is no atomic or molecular motion, there is NO activity. No time passes for the mind. That is from the description of the technique I outlined..
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May be some kind of nuclear dampers can solve that? IIRC they precisely are made to stop radioactive isotopes' decay.
Yes, I feel the same way, I think they use damper tech in the low berths. IMTU, people get transported from the inner more settled systems to the colonies for crimes, stacked in cold sleep freighters or colony ships until they have a full load and then sent out.
abomination
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Ooh I'm gonna steal that. Just have to make sure they don't learn how to play cricket.
You are welcome to it, it makes a great way to introduce NPC's, Characters one might normally see or even other groups, such as Solomani into places like the Marches.
Lycanorukke
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Or a way to make PC's lives hell if they complain about nothing happening...
Scene: Transport ship - Schaedenfrued. Cryo-con transport.
*On the Bridge:*
PC #1: God I'm bored. When do we get to shoot stuff...
*Meanwhile, in the hold*
Cold Berth Unit #486: Warning. Malfunction in primary cryo system.
Cold Berth Unit #486: Warning. Secondary system failure.
Cold Berth Unit #486: Warning. Communications failure with central computer.
Cold Berth Unit #486: Safety protocol engaged. Auto Revive sequence activate.
Cold Berth Unit #486: Sequence complete. Subject stable. Shutting down.
*Back on the bridge...*
PC #1: Bored! bored! bored!
Computer: Attention. Medical personnel report to cargo bay
PC #2: What? Why?
Computer: Procedures require medical personel to be present when cryogenic revival sequences has been initiated.
PC #1: What? Which unit is activating?
Computer: Units 1 through 200....201...202...203
PC #2: Oh shit....
Ok, now, I am seeing...now that is not too much fun...as essentially troopers are kept in unlife...for if you kill the notion of time the passengers are forever lost. So, yes, it would seem plausible but I don't think most would want to for a complete stop in their bodily functions and turn it over to a machine.
Conceivably, I suppose, by TL 15 - a map of the mind could be made before entering the berth - but would that not lead to all sorts of problems if the computer suddenly put the mind of Angelina Jolie in the body of Oprah (purposeful exaggeration to emphasize the point) or into the body of a fatbeard.
It matters little if the body is frozen or is molecularly stilled; the brain stops reacting. In either case, once life is started back up (thawed and jump started, as in cryo berths and in the Vorkosiverse) or stasis boxed... from the perspective of the patient, they went into the box, had stuff done, then come out of the box.
No mechanical mind storage needed..
No mechanical mind storage needed..
Turn what over to a machine? Motion stop, motion start, no change. Nothing to "store".
My brother underwent a surgery some years ago. When the anesthesiologist slept him, he felt dizzy. He was just about to tell the doctor not to start as he was not yet slept when the doctor talked:
'Everything has gone well' he said. Surgery was over and he was at reanimation unit, just waking from anesthesy.
I guess cold sleep would be more or less like that. You just lay to sleep and then awake, just that more time has passed. Off course, if this time lapse is longer, you can need more time to recover, this time like recovering afer at time in coma, just the outcome more favorable (usualy at least).
'Everything has gone well' he said. Surgery was over and he was at reanimation unit, just waking from anesthesy.
I guess cold sleep would be more or less like that. You just lay to sleep and then awake, just that more time has passed. Off course, if this time lapse is longer, you can need more time to recover, this time like recovering afer at time in coma, just the outcome more favorable (usualy at least).
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Yes, you all have just described Cold Sleep. Which I have no problem agreeing with everything. IMTU, the Frozen Watch goes under for 2 or more terms other 8+ years. That type of disorientation and suspension would be grueling upon the body and the mind. So, even as your brother felt disoriented, he would feel even more if people with different uniforms (however, slightly different) and the news feeds. Hence the need to keep the mind docile.
One could say soldiers are payed to fight not think. However, in the Far Future, I see shades of the Forever War being constantly being played out until soldiers begin to rebel. This is why the High Command needs some sort of Soma to keep them in line. Furthermore, the Popsicles might have different opinions - think of the Frozen Watch frozen before the Psionic Suppressions only to find their talent the subject of a lobotomy...
And, while your brother would not have experienced the passage of time on a conscious level, you can bet that his subconscious was trying to process all the information coming in from the different nerves. Similarly, for the long haul sleepers, their bodies are regulated by machine through drug and electrical stimulation and micro aging and degeneration is taking place. The subconscious is having a field day. The only way is to take it out of the equation. It was suggested that fields could dampen the mind, as well as the body, but I am not also sure that is feasible for 8+ years. Therefore, constantly mind tapes record the mind and feed the mind by keeping it up to date. So that when the body does emerge, it is prepared for whatever is coming next.
One could say soldiers are payed to fight not think. However, in the Far Future, I see shades of the Forever War being constantly being played out until soldiers begin to rebel. This is why the High Command needs some sort of Soma to keep them in line. Furthermore, the Popsicles might have different opinions - think of the Frozen Watch frozen before the Psionic Suppressions only to find their talent the subject of a lobotomy...
And, while your brother would not have experienced the passage of time on a conscious level, you can bet that his subconscious was trying to process all the information coming in from the different nerves. Similarly, for the long haul sleepers, their bodies are regulated by machine through drug and electrical stimulation and micro aging and degeneration is taking place. The subconscious is having a field day. The only way is to take it out of the equation. It was suggested that fields could dampen the mind, as well as the body, but I am not also sure that is feasible for 8+ years. Therefore, constantly mind tapes record the mind and feed the mind by keeping it up to date. So that when the body does emerge, it is prepared for whatever is coming next.
When there is no motion at the atomic/molecular level, there is nothing happening with anything, including the nerves or subconscious...
Likewise, when the brain is frozen, as in cryoberths, there is NO nervous activity.
The cryogenic suspension of the beagle back in the early 80's showed that, once suspended, literally, nothing was happening. The beagle was chemically inert (but not radiologically so).
Kafka: NOTHING goes on in the brains of cold-sleep as presented in Traveller for cold berths and stasis berths. Both are literally suspension of all life processes. They are clinically dead.
Only the "Fast Berth sleepers" have any function at all. Give them fast drug, and 3 perceived hours later, let them out of the box... because they are then hungry.
