I am sorry if anything I have said contributed to your reluctance to try out MgT.
To one and all, on one hand I'd like to apologize for my spleening earlier, low blood sugar makes me mean.
Now we're feeling the love
But seriously, Allensh, I don't think you were one, or at least never without a counterpart here (which was the most annoying, being it seemed a bit of contest at times). It was more on Mongoose's own forums and I can't really recall specific posters. It all got to be too much at a point some months back, so I left and washed my hands of any real interest in buying. It's only been months of reasonable posting here on CotI (no doubt partly you) that allowed me to continue holding out interest and finally deciding to give it a try again.
Dittoish for you ThunderChilde.
And others, to varying degrees...
...though, that said, some of what you've said in this thread reads as off base in attacking (maybe too strong a term) Bill (aka Whipsnade) when it might more rightly have been directed at the instigator (drh) who you seem to have given a free-pass to because he openly supports Mongoose Traveller (unlike Bill, who supports Mongoose Traveller, oh wait, that's not unlike is it
).
I've seen the likes of that here before, and on the Mongoose Traveller boards which is a big part of what drove me from there.
Granted you have a case for some posters going over the top in attacking (again perhaps too strong a term) Mongoose Traveller here and there, but you don't need to support baiting (and that's the only way I can see it) posters here into such, nor slamming (again perhaps too strong a term) them when they answer to such in a reasonable manner as seems the case in this thread.
All I have ever really wanted is considerate behavior from others, and an end to the kind of threadcrapping that has been going on in this very thread.
And I'd like that, and the reciprocal too. Not jumping on anyone with an issue, calmy stated and thoughfully laid out, with accusations of threadcrapping. Engage, don't dismiss. And again that was more a problem on the Mogoose forums than here, but still too often here by some.
I do think that passing on a game just because of a few people on the Internet who you will never have to game with in real life is unfortunate, but we're all different.
It is. But (as I think a Mogoose Traveller fan suggested CotI old guard might do, and I think they do to a large degree, the majority by far) being welcoming and helpful gains you (not the specific, the general) more than being dismissive and hostile when someone has an issue with Mongoose Traveller.
You really are hard put to find any thread in the MGT Forum without negative commentary, some like to call it criticism, but criticism properly done illuminates a problem and points to a solution.
And much of it (in the recent debacle) WAS constructive criticism, not well answered and is some cases I suspect not even read (or granting the benefit of the doubt, comprehended) before being repeatedly slammed as Mongoose hate.
I do think it has improved some the last while, on both sides of the great divide, I can almost imagine bridges being built.
The solution on the MGT forum should not be to flame or toss MGT...
Agreed, to this point. And by all rights and means set such posters right when they do.
However...
...and move on to an unsupported, out of print, dead version of Traveller.
It's kind of hard to take this in any way but a slam. As has been noted, many of what you claim to be out of print and dead versions of Traveller are far from it. And such replies simply drip dismissiveness.
The other version have their own usually quiet forums, if yall'd go back to your own and come up with some insightful and stimulating posts, maybe they would pick up a bit.
I hadn't noticed they were particularly quiet, though they do go in spurts at times, and the board as a whole is suffering. For myself, and I suspect others, there is interest in the new kid on the block and what it has. Telling interested posters to go away does nobody any good.
You don't see MGT people hoping all over the other forums with "criticism" when they have new threads, now why is that?
Perhaps because they aren't looking for a different version so they don't have much interest there. Though there are many good bits they could be borrowing for their Mongoose Traveller game if they did. Ignoring a topic of interest because "Oh, that's in the CT forum, we're not playing that." is their loss. If they had constructive criticism to level in those areas I imagine they'd find it welcome (perhaps not by all, and not always lovingly, that's par for the course though).
I'm not inferring that they are a better class of people or better behaved; but I'd like to think that they just feel no need to mess with the other versions.
Implying? In any case, I'm glad you're not. It may be just as you think, or simply no interest. I think their input, from exposure playing Mongoose Traveller would prove invaluable and could possibly add much to the other versions. They are almost all played with house rules already anyway. Adding fresh perspectives would be good, and they might find some new (olde) twists they can use in the bargain.
Anyway, off to mess up other threads and drag them off topic if I can
(or maybe I'll just go kill something on the XBOX... )
