Why do you hate the Virus
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Yeah, that is a bold and funny statement.
The more I think about it, the more appeal there is to a possible psionic component.
Given that, what if the Empress Wave was the next big shot of disinfectant made to wipe Virus?
I leave you to ponder...
That thought has occurred to several on Marc's M1900 discussion list...:coffeesip:
mike wightman
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I don't like it.
Then you would split the player base yet further.
Virus is only psionic if it takes over machinery that is psionic, There is an easy explanation for Virus based on reconfigurable hardware etc.
Yeah, that is a bold and funny statement.
The more I think about it, the more appeal there is to a possible psionic component.
Given that, what if the Empress Wave was the next big shot of disinfectant made to wipe Virus?
I leave you to ponder...
It makes little sense. So, thousands of years ago an Empress sent a psionic message across the Galaxy (or at least in our direction) so that they could wipe out a silicon based lifeform that is causing 3I grief. Oh wait 3I is gone by this time. And they knew when to send it? And where? :rofl:
There are better ways to deal with Virus. Why does the Black Empire even exist if Virus is so unstable and unplayable? Why even have the K'Kree war in 1248. Because someone was re-writing OTU and looking for a fix all. And it didn't work.
Look COTI and other forums have been fighting over TNE for decades. It was a shotgun change to a beloved environment. It's over with. GDW should have come out with a string of options. But times we're tough and they had new competition.
They shook things up. Even Loren was onboard and then flipped when he went to Steve's company and saw a new opportunity. Times we're tough for Loren.
Those that don't like Virus should take the LTU or Rebellion only courses when they ref. Those that like Virus can continue to perfect it's usage. Virus is an option. A ref could take one strain "mother" and incorporate it into his campaign.
Threads like this are "great" for fixing OTU problems. I've seen perspectives here that had not occurred to me. But not re-writing the OTU. That's been done and makes a bigger mess as i tried pointing out in the TNE/Lorenverse history convergence thread. 1248 left a bigger disaster that requires hand waves for a ref to establish anything.
I am just saying, some people like it and some don't. We should identify the good and bad so refs can work through it.
mike wightman
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Remember that 1248 is not what GDW had planned. There are lots of hints in Dave Nilsen's interview of what they had planned, and 1248 wasn't it.
Virus was designed to introduce - eventually - sentient machines into the setting because they had become a major sci-fi trope.
The empress wave was not a distress signal from some long post branch of ancient uplifted transplanted humans but was a meta plot way to raise the profile of psionics in the setting.
For the galaxiad I would invoke reality manipulation and just write the 1900 setting to show off the T5 rules and the TL20 they describe.
Virus was designed to introduce - eventually - sentient machines into the setting because they had become a major sci-fi trope.
The empress wave was not a distress signal from some long post branch of ancient uplifted transplanted humans but was a meta plot way to raise the profile of psionics in the setting.
For the galaxiad I would invoke reality manipulation and just write the 1900 setting to show off the T5 rules and the TL20 they describe.
lostscout5
SOC-12
I'm with you on this. Just jump over the mess and start with galaxiad.
Can you point us to where Dave Nilsen makes that statement of purpose for Virus?
Note that the LTU gives us AI w/o needing to pull a Virus.
Heck, CT gave us that already in Adventure 13.
Whatever it was, Virus wasn't an introduction to AI. It was Dave's tool to wipe out the Rebellion, which to him was morally repugnant. I remember him saying THAT.
Virus discussions started years before Dave. He was the implementer. And lets face it all of the GDW issues weighed heavy on Traveller. In MT04 there is an interview about how to end the Rebellion. I think it's a little off but the ideas we're out there prior to TNE.
We could just ask him. He's still around and a very nice guy. I've been meaning to do an interview with him.
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
I seem to remember reading (or perhaps inferring) somewhere that the Galaxiad FFF setting/timeline is intended to be far enough out that all that came before (tm) is a distant memory. Some people think that 1K years ago there was a nasty virus that ravaged charted space. Other people disagree and think that 1K years ago was an extended golden age.
That being the case, there really isn't a need to reconcile the timelines. Use whichever you prefer for YTU and move on. If you want to set your campaign in MT/HT/TNE/1248, then set it there. If you want to set your campaign in LTU, then set it there. If you want to set your campaign in Galaxiad, then set it there. If you set it in Galaxiad, you can decide which is right for YTU, or decide that different historians have different ideas on the matter (just like they do about the ancients).
Cheers,
Baron Ovka
That being the case, there really isn't a need to reconcile the timelines. Use whichever you prefer for YTU and move on. If you want to set your campaign in MT/HT/TNE/1248, then set it there. If you want to set your campaign in LTU, then set it there. If you want to set your campaign in Galaxiad, then set it there. If you set it in Galaxiad, you can decide which is right for YTU, or decide that different historians have different ideas on the matter (just like they do about the ancients).
Cheers,
Baron Ovka
mike wightman
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I have gone though his Q&A session here and here are some key points:
On the subject of Virus:
And on the Empress Wave:
lostscout5
SOC-12
:rofl:
MThompson016
SOC-12
I'm all for having psionic knights storming Castle Anthrax presuming it's led by Zoot.
I... I want to storm the castle too!
Swords and blasters! Woo hoo!
Really?
Let my first admit my own skimpy knowledge of MT (I have never played it or run it. I own a lot of CT stuff, and I once owned but never ran TNE).
I had thought that Rebellion was effectively over by the period depicted in Hard Times, because none of the factions had the strength to reunify the Imperium.
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