" It's not too much of a stretch to read those rules so that they do,"
That's the nice thing about LLBs to have the freedom to do just that.
That's the nice thing about LLBs to have the freedom to do just that.
Rules Only: The Advantages of Low Tech Starships
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For Sol, 1000D ~= 9.3AU
The semimajor orbital distance of Saturn is 9.588AU. And with an eccentricity of 0.056, it's average distance is a hair over 9AU, and the semiminor axis is 8.527AU, well inside the 1000D line.
Thank you. That's the first time I ever plugged in the numbers. I have new ideas now.
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Spinward Flow
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To be fair, logistics for maximum tech level naval fleets ought to be somewhat problematic in terms of sourcing logistics across sectors of space.
Condottiere
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1. There's a reason why Tee Fifty Fives are so numerous and still employed: they exist, and you can upgrade them.
2. Speaking of which, the equivalent would be the hundred tonne Scout.
3. How much is a Scout on the second hand market?
2. Speaking of which, the equivalent would be the hundred tonne Scout.
3. How much is a Scout on the second hand market?
Thanks! Yes, I did think there would be the those best ones, sort of cool to think about too, I mean the bad ass navigator is not something in the lore for the most part.
Also that chassis is very durable, and is used from the Antarctic to the Sahara, as various vehicles.
While I don't encourage necromancy, But....
I thought the initial thought was interesting, it reminded me of something I did a while back, changing cost by TL.
Basically I reduced the cost by 10% per TL, but instead of adding a 10% reduction per TL I compounded it on the previous TL.
So at +9 TL the cost multiplier was 1.0 * (0.9^9) or 0.387 instead of 1.0 * ( 10%*TL DIF) Which ended up looking like this:
I shifted the "base" cost up to TL 12, using the justification that this Imperial average, and manufacturing cost would be base on this. This resulted in less reduction for TL-15. The reduction as a percentage is still the same, but the cost is ~1.37x. for example using TL 9 as the base a TL 12 component would cost 0.73x as much, but using TL 12 as the base it cost ~1.37x more or 1.0 as much -- Base Price.
I had not thought of using Industrial, Non-Industrial, and Average planets to modify the cost. But The idea interested me, So I made a new chart, using 0.95 for N-I, 0.9 for AVG and 0.85 for IND. And it looked OK, except the IND got more expensive than AVG below the base TL and the Non-Ind got cheaper
. I swapped the numbers above the fold and it was better, but still not great.
So I slid the base 1.0 cost up one for Non-IND and and down one for IND, better but still not great, and the IND bonus and Non-IND Penalty end up compounding, so the spread get bigger as TL increases. So I went back to using the AVG world as Base Cost, and Gave NON-IND a 1.05 multiplier and IND a 1.05 Reduction, better, but the costs were kind of close, I stepped it up to 1.1 and then 1.15, Which I think works pretty decent.
I thought the initial thought was interesting, it reminded me of something I did a while back, changing cost by TL.
Basically I reduced the cost by 10% per TL, but instead of adding a 10% reduction per TL I compounded it on the previous TL.
So at +9 TL the cost multiplier was 1.0 * (0.9^9) or 0.387 instead of 1.0 * ( 10%*TL DIF) Which ended up looking like this:
I shifted the "base" cost up to TL 12, using the justification that this Imperial average, and manufacturing cost would be base on this. This resulted in less reduction for TL-15. The reduction as a percentage is still the same, but the cost is ~1.37x. for example using TL 9 as the base a TL 12 component would cost 0.73x as much, but using TL 12 as the base it cost ~1.37x more or 1.0 as much -- Base Price.
I had not thought of using Industrial, Non-Industrial, and Average planets to modify the cost. But The idea interested me, So I made a new chart, using 0.95 for N-I, 0.9 for AVG and 0.85 for IND. And it looked OK, except the IND got more expensive than AVG below the base TL and the Non-Ind got cheaper
. I swapped the numbers above the fold and it was better, but still not great.So I slid the base 1.0 cost up one for Non-IND and and down one for IND, better but still not great, and the IND bonus and Non-IND Penalty end up compounding, so the spread get bigger as TL increases. So I went back to using the AVG world as Base Cost, and Gave NON-IND a 1.05 multiplier and IND a 1.05 Reduction, better, but the costs were kind of close, I stepped it up to 1.1 and then 1.15, Which I think works pretty decent.
Spinward Flow
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I have my moments.
kilemall
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There is another way to skin the proverbial cost cat- use the currency ‘devaluation’ from Striker or TCS to adjust the valuation of the ships to make TL9 ships cheaper to buy, assuming the financing is in CrImps.
I would tend to use the Striker one since it was intended for buying and operating equipment.
Now an interesting question is whether the cargo and passenger rates stay denominated in CrImps or not.
If they do, then a lot of ships would be lower tech to build in profit margin, and a lot of them.
If they don’t, if rates are cheaper per TL of the ship, then several more times passengers and freight tons are moving and things likely look a lot more like the Gurpsverse.
Either way, a greater distinction between the TL9 and TL15 ACS should be made.
Greater reliability, more desirability especially for passenger comfort or high end mail cargo, ability to take damage, better sensors, better luxuries, less chance of cold sleep death, etc.
I would tend to use the Striker one since it was intended for buying and operating equipment.
Now an interesting question is whether the cargo and passenger rates stay denominated in CrImps or not.
If they do, then a lot of ships would be lower tech to build in profit margin, and a lot of them.
If they don’t, if rates are cheaper per TL of the ship, then several more times passengers and freight tons are moving and things likely look a lot more like the Gurpsverse.
Either way, a greater distinction between the TL9 and TL15 ACS should be made.
Greater reliability, more desirability especially for passenger comfort or high end mail cargo, ability to take damage, better sensors, better luxuries, less chance of cold sleep death, etc.
Condottiere
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All things being equal, the difference would be overheads and production cost.
Artificial intelligence doesn't charge architect fees, robots don't have labour unions, and setting up shop on a mineral rich asteroid would minimize bulk ore transportation costs.
Currency manipulation by the system's central bank could make the exchange rate between Credite Imperiale and the local peso very competitive.
Artificial intelligence doesn't charge architect fees, robots don't have labour unions, and setting up shop on a mineral rich asteroid would minimize bulk ore transportation costs.
Currency manipulation by the system's central bank could make the exchange rate between Credite Imperiale and the local peso very competitive.
kilemall
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I see the production costs per se being modeled in the speculative cargo trade codes with IND worlds typically selling at 30% less for heavy items, and scarce/handcrafted items on Non-IND being more.
Condottiere
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A man of culture can appreciate the finer things.
kilemall
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That’s AG planets, something else to discuss.
A man of culture can appreciate the finer things.
Condottiere
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Also depends on demand.
As in, how many people want to buy that particular product, and how do you make them aware of the availability of it, and access to.
As in, how many people want to buy that particular product, and how do you make them aware of the availability of it, and access to.
Get padron, they give you a hat too:
A man of culture can appreciate the finer things.
Condottiere
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A lot seems now associated merch.
