AnotherDilbert
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The damaged ship doesn't move. Another ship moves to screen it.
Big Naval Ships in the Traveller Universe
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If it was in range, and didn't move, unless the other ship may really interpose and fully cover it, again hard to swallow...
AnotherDilbert
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That is what LBB5'80 says:
No M-drive or agility is required. The screened ships can be fired upon as soon as all the screening ships are removed. The same range apply.
The rest of the fleet must abandon the disabled ship, else it can be screened.
It's not quite the same thing, and technically a ship can be in the reserve and still vulnerable to boarding. The rules does not cover every corner case...
Two....
AnotherDilbert
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Thank you.
So the vast majority of US naval bases can't do major repair on major warships, as that's not the point of a naval base. It's an operating base with logistical support: fuel, ammo, and other needed supplies.
P.S. Two? Wartime nightmare?
Its basically moot how the ship got to the reserve, it's not going to be boarded or salvaged or anything until the offensive line is disabled anyway. The hulk shares the fate of the fleet.
If we say craft of the reserve are already in the same hex operating on miminal emissions in order to hide within the emissions of their actively fighting fellows, then covering the cripple is no different than covering any other craft. I know some people aren't thrilled with the idea, but it works a lot better than assuming a distant reserve that can't get to the line in the same turn the way CTHG says they can. The only caveat if if the cripple's fleet wins an initiative and falls back from short to long, they leave the cripple behind and the opponent can take it into their own reserve and board it - which again only works if we assume the distances involved are small.
Agreed, that's what I said before:
While this would be easier to swallow (again, from narrative POV), I don't see what kilemall said applicable if so...
Neither do I see, if reserve means so, why ships must be in reserve to perform repairs/damage control (if that does not mean being farther), not why they can be attacked as breakthrough if no armed ships remain...
All of this seems to hint reserve ships are farther in the rear...
Probably it cannot do this, but arround the turn of century I rmember the outcry it was because a British nuclear submarine went to Gibralatar to repair a breakdown, so it must have some capacity...
The original world design rules did not allow for a naval base roll if the world didn't have an A or B starport. However, since the starport roll was independent of any world features, you could end up with starports at weird places. If the naval base were at some world whose starport couldn't support much in the way of repair or maintenance, the naval base would have to take up the slack.
Condottiere
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The Imperium Navy likely has a number of bases with their own shipyards, besides depots, that can extensively repair their capital ships.
HM Dockyard Gibraltar is a good example of a naval base that was immense and has now been drastically reduced. The dockyard (now public/private rather than solely defence) used to house Force H in WW2 (One carrier, two battle cruisers, 6 battleships, 12 cruisers and various screens) and supply repair and refit capabilities to both the Atlantic and Mediterranean Fleets.
The dock was so important it was a Vice-Admiral's slot. By the 60s it was a Rear Admiral's slot, since the 90's it's been a Commodore's slot. There's still capability for capital ship and submarine repair but it's mostly done at the public/private Gibdock yard rather than solely on the naval base.
The actual permanent establisment is now a River class, two Cutlasses and some RHIBs.
mike wightman
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Then there are the worlds that have megacorporation shipyards that build the Imperial fleet in the first place - such as General, on TL 10 Regina.
Which is another inconsistency among narrative and rules...
mike wightman
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Not really, it appears TL15 megacorporations can build shipyards wherever they want to, irrespective of local TL.
Again, narrative...
Rules are clear (CT:HG, page 20):
I'm not saying this to be good or bad, nor that it's not possible, justa pointing another inconsistency among narrative and rules...
mike wightman
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That "rule" in HG is for HG derived settings that use TCS paradigms.
The CT LBB2 rule is any A starport can build any TL ship up to TL15 Z drives regardless of world TL.
The Third Imperium works by different rules to HG, are you after consistency between different rule books and setting? Not with Traveller
The Third Imperium has had a civilian TL of 15 for over 100 years, technology flows freely from world to world - well not free, it costs Cr1000 per ton of cargo per jump.
Perhaps the labour costs or government subsidies mean that the General ship yard on TL10 Regina can import the parts it needs for final assembly at a total cost similar to what the shipyards of Mora can charge.
The CT LBB2 rule is any A starport can build any TL ship up to TL15 Z drives regardless of world TL.
The Third Imperium works by different rules to HG, are you after consistency between different rule books and setting? Not with Traveller
The Third Imperium has had a civilian TL of 15 for over 100 years, technology flows freely from world to world - well not free, it costs Cr1000 per ton of cargo per jump.
Perhaps the labour costs or government subsidies mean that the General ship yard on TL10 Regina can import the parts it needs for final assembly at a total cost similar to what the shipyards of Mora can charge.
AnotherDilbert
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It's an inconsistency between LBB2 and all other rule sets.
LBB2: Any ship can be built by any starport type A, TLs be damned.
LBB5: A starport is limited to world TL.
A TL-15 shipyard in Regina isn't against the rules, it's just Rule 0 in action. An author or referee can make an exception to the general rules any time they like. That doesn't change the general rule, it's just an exception.
Condottiere
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You can treat naval bases (and megacorporation compounds) as advanced technological enclaves, presumably factor fourteen or fifteen, since you could assume these institutions have the latest gadgets.
