Originally posted by kaladorn:
Originally posted by Straybow:
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"1.5m squares, 8 in a 4 ton allotment" is 18m², closer to 3 dTons rather than 4 (given a 2.4m ceiling height).
Standard deck plans assume a 3.0m height. 3.0x1.5.x1.5x8 = 54 m^3. Divide by 13.5 = 4 tons. The 3.0 m includes deck bulkheads and some piping, ceiling lights, local grav plates, etc.
</font>[/QUOTE]That’s the MegaTraveller assumption. Every other edition uses 14 m^3 DTons. CT recommends using the same four 1.5m x 1.5m squares as MT on the basis that that’s about 14 m^3. TNE assumes a deck-to-deck seperation of 3.5m (with about 0.5m between the ceiling and the next floor, thus making a DTon a 2m x 2m square.
In that you can get by using the half size staterooms and still devote enough space to have communal showers, a galley, some limited storage space... I suppose you could say so. But having that extra doubling of space will merely make your cabin a bit more like a room and not a closet and won't make the remaining space 'luxurious to the point of being wasteful.'
Most design sequences I've used suggest that the staterooms only use about half of their volume allocation, with the rest being for corridors, communal mess-halls, common rooms, and so on.
Almost *EVERY* traveller deck plan falls short on what would be required storage wise. Figure out what you'd need for survival, ship repair (everything from a busted navicomp to a total manual reinstallation of zuchai crystals or whatever, plus welders, hydraulic rams, etc), emergency supplies such as vacc suits, water, medical supplies, rescue balls, firefighting gear, etc. You'll find nearly every official and unofficial design comes up far short.
The overage on stateroom space is the only place you can account for this.
Much of that is stuff I'd assume is part of the engineering spaces. Storage for toolkits and basic spare parts certainly is, IMO. Fire-fighting gear is part of every space, with the over-all system part of the lifesupport.
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Even then, the odds of surviving is worse then a term of service in the military! Picture in your mind an activity that incurs a 16% chance of death, or if attended by a fully qualified doctor, an 8% chance of death. I'm not sure that open heart surgery is that risky today; I am sure that in Traveller tech it isn't.
This is admittedly a weakness in canon, at TL of the low berth or medical facilities plays no role, which is ludicrious. Open heart surgery, counting complications from strokes etc, probably is that risky. And in many places, even childbirth is riskier than that.
Not saying it isn't a stupidly high risk.... but it does promote an image of the desperate travelling that way and those who have no other option but just *have* to travel.
</font>[/QUOTE]Of course, the lethality of low-berths depends a great deal on the ruleset in use. CT is very risky, as noted by the OP (though it only takes Medic 2+ to cut the death-rate, and not a doctor with Medic 3+) - this is true to the source material (the
Dumarest Saga). In MT you can't die from a low-berth revival accident unless the referee says so or you physical abilities total 18 or less. In TNE if the person managing the revival has no Medical skill and minimal Edu the death chance is 47.5%. If they have average Edu and Medical-1 the death chance is 13%, and if they have Medical+Edu 11+ there's no chance of death at all, unless the "sleeper" has Con 2-.
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Instead there should be an economy class ticket for double occupancy bunks in a half-sized room, with limited common area priveledges (a short period each day to stretch and walk a bit). Decent auto-galley fare. Think sleeper compartment on a train. Price (J-1) would be about 2k, or 4k Private compartment single occupancy.
Oh, that much I agree with. There should be a bunk-rack style of transport with limited movement and galley and head priveledges. Life support expenses are constant, but other associated expenditures of space and support would be lesser.
</font>[/QUOTE]TNE had middle passage at Cr5000 in non-Regency areas, and rather than being high passage with reduced service and cargo, it was reduced service and sharing a stateroom. There's also a steerage class (again, not in the Regency) that goes for Cr2500, and involves being given a 1/2DT or so of the cargo hold and an allowance of 100kg. It includes
no services and you have to bring along your own food (and that's part of your weight allowance).