Proneutron
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I was shocked the first time I saw one in close up. I really didn't want to ever tangle with one. The adults are truly huge
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I was shocked the first time I saw one in close up. I really didn't want to ever tangle with one. The adults are truly huge
Condottiere
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when they uplifted meese, maybe they lost the antlers and gave them hexapodal frames . . . resulting in everyone's favorite genocidal militantly herbivorous little ponies?
I’m late to the discussion and on mobile but I think Milieu 0 has a good suggestion of why there is not much ‘tech sharing’ within the 3I. One of Cleon’s opponents Baron Yandl Willer who we are told died in a car accident before giving a speech to the Moot says the following:
A darker more cynical look at the Imperium provides the suggestion that the more important worlds keep the tech levels of lesser worlds low to provide a balance of trade that favours them. The 3I is a mercantilist empire at its heart and more powerful nobles and corporations are associated with higher tech worlds that have a vested interest in obtaining raw materials cheaply and selling finished goods to the worlds they obtained said materials from.
A darker more cynical look at the Imperium provides the suggestion that the more important worlds keep the tech levels of lesser worlds low to provide a balance of trade that favours them. The 3I is a mercantilist empire at its heart and more powerful nobles and corporations are associated with higher tech worlds that have a vested interest in obtaining raw materials cheaply and selling finished goods to the worlds they obtained said materials from.
kilemall
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I think that mercantilist bit is quite important for 3I guys. A lot of what happens has to do with economics set up to benefit the noble interstellar megacorps class and maintaining intentional TL discrepancies to maximize profits.
Outside of the OTU, my take is that if it isn't a first 100 years pioneer/discovering native civilizations milieu and there has been enough time to set up interstellar trade, then a planet being on the low-end of TL are due to economic conditions and not being able to export enough to pay for continued capitalization of local production and/or import goods, or cultural choices.
Outside of the OTU, my take is that if it isn't a first 100 years pioneer/discovering native civilizations milieu and there has been enough time to set up interstellar trade, then a planet being on the low-end of TL are due to economic conditions and not being able to export enough to pay for continued capitalization of local production and/or import goods, or cultural choices.
Condottiere
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I believe this is termed adding value.
Eventually, you do get around to industrializing them, just in time to expand the industrial base to supply the military machine as they start running up against near peer competition.
Eventually, you do get around to industrializing them, just in time to expand the industrial base to supply the military machine as they start running up against near peer competition.
Depends on how well your core territories can support your military necessities. Are we ever given an idea of the number of TL15 worlds? Within and without the Imperium?
The golden-age Imperium (and certainly the earlier Imperium (0-500ish)) is still presented as fairly powerful compared to their peers and is capable of supporting their various military necessities without threatening the profits of the great and the good (who control the Imperium). Given that the Third Imperium has won most of their interstellar wars (particularly in the last century or two) I can see why the upper nobility would be in favour of keeping the status quo, especially the few TL15 and TL16 planets.
It could be argued that industrialising the lower-tech worlds would have made the impact of the Rebellion less severe but I think the hard reset of the Virus messes with that regardless.
mike wightman
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Actually we learn in S3 The Spinward Marches that:
The Third Imperium was originally presented as corrupt, authoritarian, politically oppressive and unconcerned with member world conditions.
The great propaganda campaign of the Fifth Frontier War convinced Traveller fanon that the Imperium were now the good guys...
Also the Imperium actually lost or called a draw in the four frontier wars against the Zhodani, and the Solomani Rim war ended in an armistice rather than a Solomani defeat.
The Third Imperium was originally presented as corrupt, authoritarian, politically oppressive and unconcerned with member world conditions.
The great propaganda campaign of the Fifth Frontier War convinced Traveller fanon that the Imperium were now the good guys...
So, the ideals of Modernization Theory contrasted with the implicit effects of Dependency Theory (Cites to Wikipedia)
Yes--and even much of the CT material on the Fifth Frontier War indicated that the tech advantage was much more slim than in the past, and (apparently) it was Norris's strategic skill and perhaps his feel for the best leaders that led to victory, such as it was. Not 3I high tech wizardry.
Straybow
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Regarding fossil fuels, there are really smart folks who seriously consider the possibility of abiogenic oil: organics created by the heat and pressure at depth from non-organic carbon that would tend to rise to the top of plutonic intrusions. The amount of oil known would represent a teeny-tiny fraction of carbon in the crust and mantle. It's a hypothesis that's very hard to test.
BRJN
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The existence of large natural gas deposits deep underground suggest that there is something or other to 'abiogenic oil', probably not the hoped-for "naturally-regenerating oil supply" that will be the popular headline.
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