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The Reserve, Reserves, and Reservists of the IN

MT clearly states the subsector maintains the reserve fleet, in the PH.

Subsectors are ruled by dukes (MTIE). Each duke holds one (sometimes two) subsectors. Therefore, a Duchy navy could, in some cases, include 3 reserve fleets (since MT also says each numbered fleet has a numbered reserve fleet).

I couldn't remember off the top of my head whether it was limit of two or three numbered fleets.

Numbered Fleets exist as a IN methodology. Numbered Reserves are a methodology for dealing with the Subsector maintained fleets. In CG, MT uses IN, RF, and SysSq in exactly the same manner as HG used (i'm citing from memry, not the book proper) Sector Navy, Subsector Navy, System Navy.

MT makes little mention outside of CG of the system navies in any stripe. At least not until hard times.
 
Originally posted by Bhoins:
I have yet to find it. Does any canon source, in any version of Traveller use the Term Duchy Fleet, or Ducal Fleet? The Term Huscales is used, and may or may not include a naval contingent, but where is the Ducal or Duchy Fleets in a canon source?
Duchy Navy, not Duchy Fleet. My basic point hinges on the fact that a Navy is not the same thing as a fleet.

And there is no canonical mention (Yet ;) ). It's a term I try to encourage people to substitute for 'Subsector Navy'. My reasoning is that if they exist at all, they would actually be organized duchy by duchy rather than subsector by subsector for the simple reason that the duchy is the smallest interstellar governmental unit in the Imperium.

The way I explain it is that the Imperium prefers each of its subsectors be a duchy. It's neater. And in maybe 90% of all cases, subsectors are, indeed, duchies. Which is why 'Subsector Navy' has become synonymous with 'Duchy Navy' even though it is a bit of a misnomer.

Of course, if you prefer the MT view wherein there are no subsector navies, the point is moot :( .


Hans
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
MT clearly states the subsector maintains the reserve fleet, in the PH.
You've said that before. I don't dispute it. I just suggest that it is something that ought to be retconned. As I've said repeatedly, you can't reconcile the CT and MT canon without doing some violence to it. The violence I suggest is to say that reserve fleets are maintained at the subsector level but by the Imperial Navy while duchy navies are maintained at the duchy level by duchies.

That way you keep both the CT subsector (duchy) navies and the MT reserve fleets.

Subsectors are ruled by dukes (MTIE).
Yes, but other canon shows that this statement is not entirely correct, since we have canonical examples of subsectors that are not ruled by dukes and duchies that consists of more than a single subsector.

Each duke holds one (sometimes two) subsectors.
No, each duke holds a major part (usually all) of one subsector and some dukes holds additional bits and pieces of adjacent subesectors, depending on local conditions and history.

Therefore, a Duchy navy could, in some cases, include 3 reserve fleets (since MT also says each numbered fleet has a numbered reserve fleet).
Each regular Imperial Navy fleet has a reserve fleet, though I suggest that this statement is probably no more accurate than the one about every single subsector being run by a duke. Presumably the IN is flexible enough to adapt the basic pattern to local conditions.


Hans
 
Originally posted by Bhoins:
The only listing of numbered fleets that I have seen in a canon source had virtually all SubSectors with one Numbered Fleet. (On that map there were a grand total of 8 subsectors with 2 numbered fleets.) The only Subsectors with two Numbered Fleets were in Corridor Sector. (In which the top 8 Subsectors had 2 fleets each.) I have yet to see a source with any subsector having more than two numbered fleets.
Corridor also has a named fleet consisting of four additional regular fleets (Thus the number of regular fleets stationed in Corridor is 20). Core has four regular fleets stationed.

Any chains of command I have seen for the Imperial Navy has the Dukes outside the Chain of Command. The only input they have is as the Emperor's local representative.
Which is reasonable if the reserve fleets belong to the IN but not so reasonable if they belong to the duchies.

Incidentally, the FFW boardgame gives Norris a place in the chain of command even without his warrant. Since he left the IN with the rank of Lt. Commander (or was it Commander? Not an admiral, anyway), it seems to me that his admiral's rank must be ex officio his ducal title.


Hans
 
Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
The only listing of numbered fleets that I have seen in a canon source had virtually all SubSectors with one Numbered Fleet. (On that map there were a grand total of 8 subsectors with 2 numbered fleets.) The only Subsectors with two Numbered Fleets were in Corridor Sector. (In which the top 8 Subsectors had 2 fleets each.) I have yet to see a source with any subsector having more than two numbered fleets.
Corridor also has a named fleet consisting of four additional regular fleets (Thus the number of regular fleets stationed in Corridor is 20). Core has four regular fleets stationed.</font>[/QUOTE]Corridor also has the 213th fleet in Subsector J. Bringing the total in that case to 21. (Though how much of a fleet you can maintain in Subsector J in Corridor Sector is something that might be discussed at a later date. It might just be support for Deep Space Refueling accross the Great Rift.
) (The Rebellion Sourcebook.)

BTW the "Named Fleets" are generally, though it does state clearly not always, named for the Sector. The numbered fleets each belong to a named fleet. Are you saying that there are two named fleets in Corridor sector? Or is the curious double numbering of the inhabited end of Corridor
Sector the second Named Fleet?

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Any chains of command I have seen for the Imperial Navy has the Dukes outside the Chain of Command. The only input they have is as the Emperor's local representative.
Which is reasonable if the reserve fleets belong to the IN but not so reasonable if they belong to the duchies.

Incidentally, the FFW boardgame gives Norris a place in the chain of command even without his warrant. Since he left the IN with the rank of Lt. Commander (or was it Commander? Not an admiral, anyway), it seems to me that his admiral's rank must be ex officio his ducal title.


Hans
</font>[/QUOTE]As for chains of command. Miliatry chains of command branch from the top down. There can be no branching going from bottom to top. That way quickly leads to problems. When dealing with a military those can be very serious problems.

For example, in the United States, the Chain of command goes from the President, to the Secretary of Defense (Both, by Constitution, Civilians), to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (General or Admiral), to the Chief of Staff of the various branches, (Again General or Admiral. One each for Army, Navy and Airforce.) then down the chain of command through various commands, all the way down to the individual, Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman.

While there is a Secretary of the Army, Secretary of the Navy, Secretary of the Air Force, they advise the Secretary of Defense and can occasionally speak for him/her, they are not actually in the chain of command.

Now the National Guard is a different matter. They go, under normal circumstances, from the President to the Govenor, and to the military chain of command within the state's National Guard. They do not answer to the Secretary of Defense, nor the Joint Chiefs. Now if they are federalized, they are taken from the Govenor and placed within the US Military Chain of command.

The only role that the Dukes could play, unless you have Ducal Navies/Fleets, is in an advisory role to the Emperor and, if the Emperor allows it pass his orders to the local chain of command. (Though that would be circumvating the Chain of command and an extremely rare event. You won't see the President issue orders directly to a individual or small unit. The President's orders come through the Chain of Command. In general (no pun intended) the chain of command is never bypassed more than one level.

For example, while serving at III Corps, at Fort Hood, I was in a Section that was part of a Company that was part of a Batalion, that was part of a Brigade, that was directly assigned to III Corps. I did not get orders from the 3 Star General that ran III Corps, (Though I met the two of them that served in that capacity while I was there.) I did not get orders from either of the Colonels that ran my Brigade, though I knew who they were and they knew who I was. My Batalion Commander rarely poked his head into my office, even though my office was in the same building as his and my company commander's office was in a different building, next door. My orders came from my Warant Officer, or directly to me, if my Warant Officer was off shift, on leave, etc and I was acting in his place from the Company Commander. (Actually more usually my orders were taskings from III Corps, through Brigade, through Batalion through Company to me.) Now the intervening chains of command didn't alter those taskings, though it is common practise for the lower commanders to assign the resources they feel are best suited for the task, in our case we were the only unit of our type in III Corps so they came through in a direct line, usually without even changing the letterhead.


I can see where the Dukes would be like the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Airforce. They would be in a position to advise the Emperor as to the state of affairs in their domain, and an Admiral better listen to what they have to say, and take that into account in their planning because they are powerful, but they wouldn't have direct control or authority over the Commands in their Duchy. The Chain of Command Chart in The Rebellion Sourcebook reflects that. It lists them as "Nobel Supervision."

With a warant a person is speaking for the Emperor and therefore is, as far as the Chain of Command is concerned, the Emperor. Otherwise the orders from the Admirals above you are just that, orders and no matter how much the Duke, may or may not like those orders the Duke's opinion can't change those orders. The Duke might have enough political pull to have you cashiered or end your career, or might be able to have you transferred. However violating your actual orders could have much more dire consequences. Lets see, jail/execution or transferred to command a listening station on the dark side of Pluto. Hmmmmm!
 
Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
The only listing of numbered fleets that I have seen in a canon source had virtually all SubSectors with one Numbered Fleet. (On that map there were a grand total of 8 subsectors with 2 numbered fleets.) The only Subsectors with two Numbered Fleets were in Corridor Sector. (In which the top 8 Subsectors had 2 fleets each.) I have yet to see a source with any subsector having more than two numbered fleets.
Corridor also has a named fleet consisting of four additional regular fleets (Thus the number of regular fleets stationed in Corridor is 20). Core has four regular fleets stationed.

Any chains of command I have seen for the Imperial Navy has the Dukes outside the Chain of Command. The only input they have is as the Emperor's local representative.
Which is reasonable if the reserve fleets belong to the IN but not so reasonable if they belong to the duchies.

Incidentally, the FFW boardgame gives Norris a place in the chain of command even without his warrant. Since he left the IN with the rank of Lt. Commander (or was it Commander? Not an admiral, anyway), it seems to me that his admiral's rank must be ex officio his ducal title.
Hans
</font>[/QUOTE]NICE Catch on that one...
 
There's just one problem with Dukes being advisors to the Emperor - the two year round trip to discuss anything.
I thought the whole point of the feudal nature of the Imperium is for the subsector and sector Dukes to be able to rule in the Emperor's name?
That would mean being able to command the Imperial Armed forces within his/her feif.
IMHO a Sector Admiral would have to follow the commands of the sector Duke, a fleet Admiral would have to follow the orders of subsector Dukes unless those orders conflict with the sector Duke (which is why Norris needed the Warrant).
Authority can only exist if you have the means to back it up, and in the CT Imperium each subsector Duke is very much like a colonial/state Governor.
YMMV ;)
 
Originally posted by rancke:
Duchy Navy, not Duchy Fleet. My basic point hinges on the fact that a Navy is not the same thing as a fleet.

And there is no canonical mention (Yet ;) ). It's a term I try to encourage people to substitute for 'Subsector Navy'. My reasoning is that if they exist at all, they would actually be organized duchy by duchy rather than subsector by subsector for the simple reason that the duchy is the smallest interstellar governmental unit in the Imperium.

The way I explain it is that the Imperium prefers each of its subsectors be a duchy. It's neater. And in maybe 90% of all cases, subsectors are, indeed, duchies. Which is why 'Subsector Navy' has become synonymous with 'Duchy Navy' even though it is a bit of a misnomer.

Of course, if you prefer the MT view wherein there are no subsector navies, the point is moot :( .


Hans
Actually a Duchy being the smallest interstellar government isn't correct. The Counts are responsible for clusters. Therefore, if we are going to have Duchies we should also have Counties. There are certain regions, that belong to the Imperium, and not just as clients, throughout Imperium History, that don't conform to the Sector/Subsector arrangements. The Vegan Autonomous District, The Solomani Autonomous Region, and The Lurani Cultural Region. On a smaller scale there are other Interstellar entities, hence the Government Code 6. The clearest example from CT being Garda Vilis, being ruled by Vilis (Adventure 7, Broadsword).

Do these other entities have Navies? CLearly they do. MAtter of fact one of the Kinunir Colonial Cruisers was transferred to the Vegan Autonomous District Navy. Vilis has an Interstellar Navy, thogh it clearly isn't big or impressive. The more prosperous COunties would have a local navy, and depending on the worlds of the County, these can be at least as impressive and/or modern as other Subsectors' Ducal Fleets. For example the cluster in Solomani Rim/Suleiman Subsector, with ASCALON and TAMMUZ could put together one heck of a County fleet, and it would actually have a shot at being better than the Regina or Lunion Colonial Fleets. (One is Pop 9, TLF the other is Pop A, TLF.)
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
There's just one problem with Dukes being advisors to the Emperor - the two year round trip to discuss anything.
I thought the whole point of the feudal nature of the Imperium is for the subsector and sector Dukes to be able to rule in the Emperor's name?
That would mean being able to command the Imperial Armed forces within his/her feif.
IMHO a Sector Admiral would have to follow the commands of the sector Duke, a fleet Admiral would have to follow the orders of subsector Dukes unless those orders conflict with the sector Duke (which is why Norris needed the Warrant).
Authority can only exist if you have the means to back it up, and in the CT Imperium each subsector Duke is very much like a colonial/state Governor.
YMMV ;)
I agree there are communication lags and other problems. However having orders come from two places is the perfect formula for military disaster. A Military really has training for one purpose. Everything else is secondary. A Military's training can be boiled down to their job is to "kill people and break things." When you have confusion then the wrong people die and the wrong things get broken. (Or nobody dies and nothing gets borken, or everybody dies and everything gets broken.) Back in the age of sail, before instant communications, (and actually instant reliable communications is fairly recent) the local commanders still only had one chain of command. (At least the successful ones.) In some cases that included a local Govenor, but in those cases the local military did not also answer to the high command back in the home country. Usually you had Military Govenors, who were in charge of both teh civilian aspects of teh situation but also fitted nicely within the chain of command. (Spanish conquest of most of Latin America being the easiest example to research.) Each had a fleet, even though Cortez burned his ships, soldiers and civilians they were responsible for. The chain of command was clear. the same has to be true of teh Imperial Navy or the resulting conflicts and confusion would have caused the Imperium to collapse long before the 1100s.
 
So where does a noble in the Imperium derive his authority from?
If he just keeps saying "in the Emperor's name" without any military backup then he's in trouble.

An Imperial Noble to me is more than just a politician, he must also be able to order around armed forces - be part of the chain of command. Hence the need for Huscarles, Duchy Navies, and a rank equivalent to fleet Admiral.

Otherwise the Imperial isn't feudal, it's a military dictatorship - althogh quite what the difference in those two terms is I'm not too sure ;)
 
Here lets put the chain of command situation in a nice context. The year is 1106 (MT Encyclopedia lists the Fifth Frontier War as being 1107-1110).

YOu are the Commodore in charge of a heavy task force consisting of 1 BatRon (Battlerider), 1 BatRon, 4 CruRon, 1 CruRon (Carrier) and associated escorts and auxillaries.

There is an increase of Pirate activity, possibly Zhodani Commerce Raiders, possibly Ihaeti probing, who knows, in the Pax Rulin Subsector. The Duke of Glisten, concerned with the loss of commerce and civilian lives orders your Taskforce to Pax Rulin, to reinforce the Task Force there and commence aggressive anti-piracy patrols.

Armed with Intelligence information that the Fifth Frontier war is about to kick off, the Grand Admiral of the Marches, orders you to recall your Task Force and move your Task Force to STROUDEN to provide local defense and be a counterattack force once the direction of the Zhodani/Swordworld offensive is identified. You will relieve the two Squadrons currently at STROUDEN so they can redeploy to Tenalphi and Adabicci for defensive purposes.

Now if these orders arrive simultaneously, which do you follow? If they don't arrive simultaneously do you stop following one to follow the other? Do you split your forces and therefore disobey both? Do you follow the Duke's orders and chase pirates and possibly lose a Subsector, potentially the war, or do you go into position at Strouden, ignore the Duke's and according to the "Duke is the local representative of the Emperor" thoughts, commit treason?

<Edit: I missed an option.> You could of course gather your Task Force, prepare for movement, and plan and prepare for both missions, while you dispatch couriers to both Glisten (The Duke) and Mora (Spinward Marches Fleet HQ, at least IMTU) and request clarification. Then there will be a flurry of couriers between Glisten and Mora, while your Task Force sits idle and possibly still receiving conflicting orders from both places while they hash it all out. </End Edit>

Remember Norris needed the Warant to assume command. Santini was in command before Norris received the Warant.
 
You follow the orders of the sector Duke (Duchess Delphine of Mora), that are issued in the Emperor's name through the grand Admiral.
If they arrive on time.
Otherwise you follow your standing orders to obey the subsector Duke (Glisten)in all matters, since the subsector Duke is the local "Emperor's voice". Until the Admiral's orders catch up, and that's the problem with the communication's lag, and the reason for local nobles to have so much authority.

The sector Duke will be privy to all the intel that the Admiral, but it's up to the sector Duke to authorize the admiral to deploy forces - otherwise it's a military state as I said earlier.

The nobles must be able to command the military, otherwise coups and rebellions would be a lot more common.

I think I'll go and read GT Nobles now, to see if it sheds any light on the issue ;)
 
Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
I have yet to find it. Does any canon source, in any version of Traveller use the Term Duchy Fleet, or Ducal Fleet? The Term Huscales is used, and may or may not include a naval contingent, but where is the Ducal or Duchy Fleets in a canon source?
Duchy Navy, not Duchy Fleet. My basic point hinges on the fact that a Navy is not the same thing as a fleet.

And there is no canonical mention (Yet ;) ). It's a term I try to encourage people to substitute for 'Subsector Navy'. My reasoning is that if they exist at all, they would actually be organized duchy by duchy rather than subsector by subsector for the simple reason that the duchy is the smallest interstellar governmental unit in the Imperium.

The way I explain it is that the Imperium prefers each of its subsectors be a duchy. It's neater. And in maybe 90% of all cases, subsectors are, indeed, duchies. Which is why 'Subsector Navy' has become synonymous with 'Duchy Navy' even though it is a bit of a misnomer.

Of course, if you prefer the MT view wherein there are no subsector navies, the point is moot :( .


Hans
</font>[/QUOTE]Which is why I prefer my interpretation. The Numbered Reserve Fleets comprise two components, and incidentally are normally larger than the Numbered Regular Fleets. The semi-retired older yet still useful ships, assigned to the Imperial Navy Reserves (And IMTU crewed by Reservists). And the locally raised, purchased, etc Colonial Navies. The Colonial Navies would belong to the local polities until or unless they were called into Imperial Service. These would include Duchy Navies, County Navies, and Planetary Navies with Interstellar capability. In return for the Imperial Government to be able to call up these Colonial Forces (in whole or in part), the Imperial Government allows their existence and provides a Subsidy to help pay for them. This Subsidy may include, but is not limited to, cash, the ability to purchase ships from the Imperial Navy at a discount, training, maintenance at naval bases and Depots, etc.

Huscarles are a special case and are not subject to call up, however they also don't include a military subsidy. They are the Noble's household troops, personal retainers, bodyguards, etc. Creation of Household Troops is a right granted to Nobility, as part of their right to go about armed. Specific limits would be included in each noble's patents of nobility and customs and traditions.
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
You follow the orders of the sector Duke, that are issued in the Emperor's name through the grand Admiral.
If they arrive on time.
Otherwise you follow your standing orders to obey the subsector Duke in all matters, since the subsector Duke is the local "Emperor's voice". Until the Admirals' orders catch up, and that's the problem with the communication's lag, and the reason for local nobles to have so much authority.

The sector Duke will be privy to all the intel that the Admiral, but it's up to the sector Duke to authorize the admiral to deploy forces - otherwise it's a military state as I said earlier.

The nobles must be able to command the military, otherwise coups and rebellions would be a lot more common.

I think I'll go and read GT Nobles now, to see if it sheds any light on the issue ;)
But the Duke of Glisten isn't the Sector Duke. (Which is one of the two reasons I chose Glisten, the other is the fact that I would be pulling forces away from the front.) The Sector Duke is either the Duke of Regina or Duke (Duchess?) of Mora. Glisten is just a Subsector Duke, which happens to be responsible for Imperial interests in Pax Rulin and District 268.
 
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
So where does a noble in the Imperium derive his authority from?
If he just keeps saying "in the Emperor's name" without any military backup then he's in trouble.

An Imperial Noble to me is more than just a politician, he must also be able to order around armed forces - be part of the chain of command. Hence the need for Huscarles, Duchy Navies, and a rank equvalent to fleet Admiral.

Otherwise the Imperial isn't feudal, it's a military dictatorship - althogh quite what the difference in those two terms is I'm not too sure ;)
He derives his authority from the Emperor. He doesn't need the big stick, the Emperor is holding the big stick. If the Duke is right and the Emperor says he is right then the Emperor can swing the stick, or specifically had the stick to the Duke, via a warant. Woe be unto the Duke that does things in the Emperor's name that is against the Emperor's wishes. And woe be unto the person that defies the Duke when the Emperor agrees with the Duke.

A great example of Feudal military power would be the planet Grayson in the Honor Harrington series. The Armed Forces belong to the Protector, the Steadholders (Dukes) are allowed household troops but their power and size are severely limited outside of their Steadholder's Steading (Outside the Duchy). This doesn't preclude a Steadholder from being in the Military, or holding command positions in the Military, but the Military, except for within their individual chain of command doesn't answer to a Steadholder. (They might answer to an Admiral that happens to be a Steadholder, but not to a Steadholder, by virtue of being a Steadholder.)
 
Originally posted by Bhoins:
But the Duke of Glisten isn't the Sector Duke. (Which is one of the two reasons I chose Glisten, the other is the fact that I would be pulling forces away from the front.) The Sector Duke is either the Duke of Regina or Duke (Duchess?) of Mora. Glisten is just a Subsector Duke, which happens to be responsible for Imperial interests in Pax Rulin and District 268.
I've edited my post above for clarity.
As a fleet commander in peacetime you obey the orders of your local subsector Duke (quotes from GT Nobles to follow later ;) ) - the Duke of Glisten.
The orders from the Grand Admiral of the Marches are authorised by the sector Duke, Delphine of Mora (who, by the way, apointed Santanocheev in the first place).
 
Originally posted by Bhoins:
He derives his authority from the Emperor. He doesn't need the big stick, the Emperor is holding the big stick. If the Duke is right and the Emperor says he is right then the Emperor can swing the stick, or specifically had the stick to the Duke, via a warant. Woe be unto the Duke that does things in the Emperor's name that is against the Emperor's wishes. And woe be unto the person that defies the Duke when the Emperor agrees with the Duke.
But the Emperor's stick is the Imperial Armed forces, therefore the local Noble must be able to authorise their deployment.
He/she can't afford the time it takes to relay events to the Emperor, be issued with a warrant, and have that warrant transported back to the local Duke.
 
A selection of quotes from GT Nobles:
A high noble directly administers Imperial territories as a personal representative of the Emperor.
...he is granted the Imperial Mandate to command Imperial resources...
...the Imperial bureaucracy and military manage Imperial government, but it is ultimately controlled by the high nobility in the name of the Emperor. The legal authority under which the high nobles exert this control is called the Imperial Mandate.
A noble with the Imperial Mandate has far-reaching authority to command all Imperial activities and personnel within his demesne.
High noble refers to a baron or higher who rules a given Imperial territory.
 
SO a Subsector Duke, who may be kept in the dark for all sorts of reasons, (the least sinster is communication lag) can pull vital Sector resources to deal with a local problem at the expense of the Sector?

OK so in our example above, lets place the Task Force at Mille Falcs, (I forgot to place the Task Force when I described it.) and lets assume that the orders from Glisten arrive first, we recall all the patrols, organize and provision the Task Force for movement, sned a dispatch boat to both Glisten and Mora that says this is the direction that we are moving and out expected timetable.

The orders from Mora pass the information copy to Mora in transit. (They cross in the mail.) The Courier arrives at Mille Falcs from Mora after we have already departed and an additional Courier arrives at Glisten at about the same time saying that Fleet HQ is taking the Task Force, thank you for your cooperation. Fast transit to Pax Rulin by the TF takes 3 weeks, more likely one month. (Refueling time.) The Task Force is then scattered on aggressive Anti Piracy Patrols. The Courier from Mora, and a second from Glisten would catch up with the Task Force about two weeks after it was scheduled to arrive at Mille Falcs.

If the orders were cut 1 week before the information copy to Fleet HQ of the Task Force's movement arrives on Mora, (routine dispatch, goes by courier or X-Boat?) then the Sector's War deployment is delayed by at least 2 months, more likely 3+ months because the patrols have to be recalled.) And that assumes that you don't get conflicting orders from the Duke of Glisten saying "hold while I get confirmation."

I hope the Zhodani are willing to delay the start of the war while the chain of command gets sorted out, forget about the redeployment schedule.
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Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
A selection of quotes from GT Nobles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />A high noble directly administers Imperial territories as a personal representative of the Emperor.
...he is granted the Imperial Mandate to command Imperial resources...
...the Imperial bureaucracy and military manage Imperial government, but it is ultimately controlled by the high nobility in the name of the Emperor. The legal authority under which the high nobles exert this control is called the Imperial Mandate.
A noble with the Imperial Mandate has far-reaching authority to command all Imperial activities and personnel within his demesne.
High noble refers to a baron or higher who rules a given Imperial territory. </font>[/QUOTE]So what you are saying that, in practise a military unit has to answer to not one but 7 commanders? (Baron, Count, Subsector Duke, Sector Duke, Arch Duke, Emperor, and military traditional chain of command) In addition to any idiot running around with a warant?

With communication lags, this situation means the military will usually be sitting around on its butt while the chain of command sorts itself out. You don't have to worry about military coups, you will have one just to sort out the chain of command.


Sorry, that makes no real military sense. Local forces, local commanders. Imperial Forces, normal military chain of command, with the Generals and Admirals and the Emperor at the top. Nothing else would realistically work.
 
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