Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
The only listing of numbered fleets that I have seen in a canon source had virtually all SubSectors with one Numbered Fleet. (On that map there were a grand total of 8 subsectors with 2 numbered fleets.) The only Subsectors with two Numbered Fleets were in Corridor Sector. (In which the top 8 Subsectors had 2 fleets each.) I have yet to see a source with any subsector having more than two numbered fleets.
Corridor also has a named fleet consisting of four additional regular fleets (Thus the number of regular fleets stationed in Corridor is 20). Core has four regular fleets stationed.</font>[/QUOTE]Corridor also has the 213th fleet in Subsector J. Bringing the total in that case to 21. (Though how much of a fleet you can maintain in Subsector J in Corridor Sector is something that might be discussed at a later date. It might just be support for Deep Space Refueling accross the Great Rift.
) (The Rebellion Sourcebook.)
BTW the "Named Fleets" are generally, though it does state clearly not always, named for the Sector. The numbered fleets each belong to a named fleet. Are you saying that there are two named fleets in Corridor sector? Or is the curious double numbering of the inhabited end of Corridor
Sector the second Named Fleet?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Any chains of command I have seen for the Imperial Navy has the Dukes outside the Chain of Command. The only input they have is as the Emperor's local representative.
Which is reasonable if the reserve fleets belong to the IN but not so reasonable if they belong to the duchies.
Incidentally, the FFW boardgame gives Norris a place in the chain of command even without his warrant. Since he left the IN with the rank of Lt. Commander (or was it Commander? Not an admiral, anyway), it seems to me that his admiral's rank must be ex officio his ducal title.
Hans </font>[/QUOTE]As for chains of command. Miliatry chains of command branch from the top down. There can be no branching going from bottom to top. That way quickly leads to problems. When dealing with a military those can be very serious problems.
For example, in the United States, the Chain of command goes from the President, to the Secretary of Defense (Both, by Constitution, Civilians), to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (General or Admiral), to the Chief of Staff of the various branches, (Again General or Admiral. One each for Army, Navy and Airforce.) then down the chain of command through various commands, all the way down to the individual, Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman.
While there is a Secretary of the Army, Secretary of the Navy, Secretary of the Air Force, they advise the Secretary of Defense and can occasionally speak for him/her, they are not actually in the chain of command.
Now the National Guard is a different matter. They go, under normal circumstances, from the President to the Govenor, and to the military chain of command within the state's National Guard. They do not answer to the Secretary of Defense, nor the Joint Chiefs. Now if they are federalized, they are taken from the Govenor and placed within the US Military Chain of command.
The only role that the Dukes could play, unless you have Ducal Navies/Fleets, is in an advisory role to the Emperor and, if the Emperor allows it pass his orders to the local chain of command. (Though that would be circumvating the Chain of command and an extremely rare event. You won't see the President issue orders directly to a individual or small unit. The President's orders come through the Chain of Command. In general (no pun intended) the chain of command is never bypassed more than one level.
For example, while serving at III Corps, at Fort Hood, I was in a Section that was part of a Company that was part of a Batalion, that was part of a Brigade, that was directly assigned to III Corps. I did not get orders from the 3 Star General that ran III Corps, (Though I met the two of them that served in that capacity while I was there.) I did not get orders from either of the Colonels that ran my Brigade, though I knew who they were and they knew who I was. My Batalion Commander rarely poked his head into my office, even though my office was in the same building as his and my company commander's office was in a different building, next door. My orders came from my Warant Officer, or directly to me, if my Warant Officer was off shift, on leave, etc and I was acting in his place from the Company Commander. (Actually more usually my orders were taskings from III Corps, through Brigade, through Batalion through Company to me.) Now the intervening chains of command didn't alter those taskings, though it is common practise for the lower commanders to assign the resources they feel are best suited for the task, in our case we were the only unit of our type in III Corps so they came through in a direct line, usually without even changing the letterhead.
I can see where the Dukes would be like the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Airforce. They would be in a position to advise the Emperor as to the state of affairs in their domain, and an Admiral better listen to what they have to say, and take that into account in their planning because they are powerful, but they wouldn't have direct control or authority over the Commands in their Duchy. The Chain of Command Chart in The Rebellion Sourcebook reflects that. It lists them as "Nobel Supervision."
With a warant a person is speaking for the Emperor and therefore is, as far as the Chain of Command is concerned, the Emperor. Otherwise the orders from the Admirals above you are just that, orders and no matter how much the Duke, may or may not like those orders the Duke's opinion can't change those orders. The Duke might have enough political pull to have you cashiered or end your career, or might be able to have you transferred. However violating your actual orders could have much more dire consequences. Lets see, jail/execution or transferred to command a listening station on the dark side of Pluto. Hmmmmm!
). It's a term I try to encourage people to substitute for 'Subsector Navy'. My reasoning is that if they exist at all, they would actually be organized duchy by duchy rather than subsector by subsector for the simple reason that the duchy is the smallest interstellar governmental unit in the Imperium. 
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