HG2: Tigress Design: Volume of Components

[Hal]

Funny you should mention that Bhoins

GROUND FORCES is supposedly based on the Soviet Model. I'm using Ground forces and trying to figure out for sure in my own head, what each battalion is, what each of the soldiers is equipt with, and so on.

And like many of my projects, I've placed my musings on an excel web sheet (that one is VERY much in progress as I try to thread my way between how many men per squad/platoon/company/battalion etc...

But this much I do know... A squadron of Intrepid Tanks costs the Imperium a total of 800.8 Megacredits brand new. At 20% maintenance costs, such a squadron would cost 160.16 MCr per year to maintain. That is only one squadron. A Grav Tank Brigade would cost at least 3 times that because it has three such squadrons plus an artillery battalion and a lift infantry battalion.

The more I dig into these things, the more I can appreciate just how much expenses face the Imperium when it comes to maintaining its military. I only have to look at the CIA report to get an idea of what some governments are willing to spend on the military and realize that perhas the Imperium really doesn't have a LOT of military force at hand! But, gut feelings are not documentable - NUMBERS are.

If this sounds like a request for help - it is. I don't care if people use Striker rules to buid tanks - and then construct armies based on the TO&E supplied either with JTAS articles or with GROUND FORCES or even with alternatives you think are viable. Document your work, send it my way and it WILL be placed on my web site with your name on it.

 

[PBI]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
Every item in a division? In what kind of division? Imperial Marine, Imperial Army, Colonial, Modern US equivalent, Pre collaspe Soviet equivalent? What is the division's mission? What is the expected environment the division is supposed to operate in? What is the Division's expected opposition. A division is a big thing, designed to operate independently for extended periods of time. (The lowest echelon that is designed to be able to do so.)

Keep in mind that the division is not always the smallest formation designed to operate independently. It depends on the army in question. In some armies, it's a brigade group, in others, it's the battalion group. Colonial armies would, I think, be the most likely to have brigades and battalions as independent formations along the lines of the division, but, otherwise, what applies to the organization of a division mostly applies to the organization of brigades and battalions where those units fill the role of divisions.

 

[aramis]

Based upon Invasion Earth, during the SRW, Regiments were the smallest independant units...

and typically brigades are the independant level.

Keep in mind, many traveller worlds will have torouble raiseing even a regiment; others will be able to casually provide 4-5 field armies.

Also, canon seems to imply regiments having combined arms capabilities to some extent, and also independant combat history tracking.

Consider this: almost all traveller unit crests shown have been regimental. Ones that pop to mind immediately are 1188 Infantry, 4518th Life Infantry (The Duke of Regina's Own Huscarles), and a few others. a regiment also works out to be between 500 and 1500 men, depending upon mission and type of unit.

Even if a regiment is seldom deployed alone, it is oft deployable to form larger units ad hoc in situ.

 

[Durkin]

He gang,
As one of you put it ... "ancient errata"

But to the original point of the forum the J3 Tigeress ... The fuel supply listed is only enought for j3, and the USP clearly shows J3.

BTW the 200Kt DN on page 42 of Fighting Ships (the Korrakit (sp?)) also has the same type-O (Jump 3 vsv the J4 listed)

Why? these battle wagons don't have to move very fast. Especially given the IN's policy of a "thin outer crust" to gaurding the imperial borders.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Actually INdependent Brigades and US Armored Cavalary Regiments are designed to operate independently, however, the Division is the lowest echelon that is designed to operate independently "FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME." Everything smaller while they may operate independently they aren't designed to keep operating independently. ACRs need Corps level support to maintain Operations as do Independent Brigades. NOrmal Brigades require their division or some other entity to maintain operations. Historically across the various armies of the world this distinction is true.

Originally posted by PBI:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
Every item in a division? In what kind of division? Imperial Marine, Imperial Army, Colonial, Modern US equivalent, Pre collaspe Soviet equivalent? What is the division's mission? What is the expected environment the division is supposed to operate in? What is the Division's expected opposition. A division is a big thing, designed to operate independently for extended periods of time. (The lowest echelon that is designed to be able to do so.)

Keep in mind that the division is not always the smallest formation designed to operate independently. It depends on the army in question. In some armies, it's a brigade group, in others, it's the battalion group. Colonial armies would, I think, be the most likely to have brigades and battalions as independent formations along the lines of the division, but, otherwise, what applies to the organization of a division mostly applies to the organization of brigades and battalions where those units fill the role of divisions. </font>[/QUOTE]

 

[BetterThanLife]

HAL,
I'll throw together a Soviet CAA and TA for you. I'll run it from squad level up to the CAA/TAA level. Where do you want me to send it?
(I have my copy of FM 100-2-3 around here somewhere.) I can do the traveller equivalent for it but since I don't have the striker set the vehicle stats will be missing. (Though I do have the most common vehicle types in both T20 and MT format so I know what they are supposed to be.)

I also have the Aslan Tlekoi (Or however it is spelled) Regiment TO&E around here somewhere. (I just can't find the deckplans.) From FASA's Aslan Mercenary ships.

 

[PBI]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
NOrmal Brigades require their division or some other entity to maintain operations. Historically across the various armies of the world this distinction is true.

It's not currently true of the Canadian Army. The unit that fills the role of the division within the Canadian military is the brigade group. Just because it's not US practice doens't mean it's not viable, and I think it would be good to stay away from focussing too much on any particular nation when trying to come up with Traveller militaries.

If a particular planet or subsector doesn't have the troops to make fielding divisions something that's practical, they'd be forced to structure their military around smaller formations.

 

[Hal]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
HAL,
I'll throw together a Soviet CAA and TA for you. I'll run it from squad level up to the CAA/TAA level. Where do you want me to send it?
(I have my copy of FM 100-2-3 around here somewhere.) I can do the traveller equivalent for it but since I don't have the striker set the vehicle stats will be missing. (Though I do have the most common vehicle types in both T20 and MT format so I know what they are supposed to be.)

I also have the Aslan Tlekoi (Or however it is spelled) Regiment TO&E around here somewhere. (I just can't find the deckplans.) From FASA's Aslan Mercenary ships.

Hi Bhoins,
Anything you want to send should be sent with the header "COTI: Topic goes here" to hal_AT_buffnet.net. Thanks

 

[BMonnery]

Of course, the problem with Ground Forces is that it used the number of defense battalions (i.e. militia) as the basis for regular forces, and then multiplied that!

Modern TL-8 nations get 2BE per million population. Applied to an Imperial world:

http://www.geocities.com/littlegreenmen.geo/Extolay.htm

Bryn