Maybe tommorrow our reptilian/roman overlords will arrive and say: "hey, look at you guys!" Careful what you wish for.![]()
I for one welcome our new overlords, and can be very useful in rooting out traitors and subversives

Maybe tommorrow our reptilian/roman overlords will arrive and say: "hey, look at you guys!" Careful what you wish for.![]()
In which case, again, our question is moot. Naturally the reason to ask the question in the first place is because we want to know about them. But maybe there's another reason to ask it.
And, your Original Post title asks if life develops "like here". Life here seems to imply that no stone will be left unturned...
I for one welcome our new overlords [...]
The sticking points in "are there other civilizations?" are not just that "space is really big", but also that "space is really old" and "it seems that technology must develop faster than evolution". If the civilization question is meaningful beyond mere speculation, then it seems to me that the point is likely to be "we will not find signs of another civilization".
I for one welcome our new overlords, and can be very useful in rooting out traitors and subversives![]()
Indeed. Even today, TL8? maybe even TL7? we're on the edge of what H. Beam Piper called 'carniculture' in his Terro-Human Future History (the universe that Space Viking, Four Day Planet, and the Fuzzy series all take place in); if the pre-spaceflight Fteirle also achieve carniculture, that could well cause a population explosion on Kusyu. Do I think that they will achieve the population densities that we see in areas of Terra? No. Psychologically, they still need the open space and comparatively low population density, and that - probably more than anything else - will drive them into space and colonization of other worlds. Certainly, they will want the most Fteirle-compatible worlds, but land ownership won't need to be ownership of agriculturally productive land.Then you are utterly ignoring or, misunderstand the effects of TL's in critical aspects of civilization.
Indeed. Even today, TL8? maybe even TL7? we're on the edge of what H. Beam Piper called 'carniculture' ...
I wasn't even thinking of the energy requirements per se; rather, a cow's worth of carniculture meat simply won't require the acreage of grain that a cow does - the source of the proteins, enzymes, et cetera that go into the nutrient solution don't necessarily have to come from the same grains that Elsie-on-the-hoof would eat and digest; it can come from other crops, the wastage from human-edible food, synthesis, et cetera.Correct. The energy requirements to "grow" just meat is a small fraction of what it takes to produce an entire animal. This throws all the calculation seen previously on this thread, right out the window. Bu, bye.
Traveller, in general, ignores the logical rise in tech. Case in point, CT Trav assumed that mainframes of the 70's would be the architecture going forward. The game was basically add lasers, fusion and space drive. Everything remains 1970's TL. Most likely because the author was probably not a science guy but, a Lib Arts type. (probably why the game got created though). So can't complain really.
I wasn't even thinking of the energy requirements per se; rather, a cow's worth of carniculture meat simply won't require the acreage of grain that a cow does - the source of the proteins, enzymes, et cetera that go into the nutrient solution don't necessarily have to come from the same grains that Elsie-on-the-hoof would eat and digest; it can come from other crops, the wastage from human-edible food, synthesis, et cetera.
You did NOT just predict the end of bacon...
Sheets of bacon running off the assembly lines looking like those old films of the presses rolling.
"Come to New Azuria, where the streets are paved with bacon!"
...ah yes, New Azuria. The only planet ever eaten in conquest. Once the Vargr heard the tales there was no stopping the horde.
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I guess it's gone to the dogs...
Beggin-strips!
That bacon flavor your navigator craves!