Uniforms
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Why was the camo scheme changed? The newer stuff looks like the colors the Germans and Russians use for their BDUs.
Myself I always thought the Navy had the right idea with cuff and shoulder rank insignias.
Myself I always thought the Navy had the right idea with cuff and shoulder rank insignias.
far-trader
SOC-14 10K
Who aims in real combat? Besides the snipers I mean.
No, I'm serious. I'm pretty sure most combat conditions don't involve aiming so much as pointing, and the ranges and light conditions and such are likely going to mean the other soldier won't even see the little emblem on your chest, or even recognize you as a person. I expect all they may see are blurs of movement and maybe muzzle flashes, and the adrenelin will kick in and that's what they'll shoot for. There may be the odd time a regular soldier gets to take an aimed shot but even then at the likely range that target is going to be a pretty small aim point, more likely they'll just aim center of mass and hope to hit something.
But I guess I'm straying off topic anyway
No, I'm serious. I'm pretty sure most combat conditions don't involve aiming so much as pointing, and the ranges and light conditions and such are likely going to mean the other soldier won't even see the little emblem on your chest, or even recognize you as a person. I expect all they may see are blurs of movement and maybe muzzle flashes, and the adrenelin will kick in and that's what they'll shoot for. There may be the odd time a regular soldier gets to take an aimed shot but even then at the likely range that target is going to be a pretty small aim point, more likely they'll just aim center of mass and hope to hit something.
But I guess I'm straying off topic anyway
Most serious folks have known for years that the "Woodland Camoflage" sticks out like a sore thumb anywhere but deep jungle, but it looked cool. The new USMC, Canadian, and US Army "digital" uniforms are lighter and much better as camoflage. (The USAF "smurfiflage" is a joke, but it does hide grease stains.)
The rank patch does not seem to bother any of the current active duty shooters I have listened to on it. It is velcoed on so if bothers you, don't wear it. I think the point is that the rank on the uniform will be in the same place as on the armor, so a private can figure out imediately if a stranger can really order him around.
The rank patch does not seem to bother any of the current active duty shooters I have listened to on it. It is velcoed on so if bothers you, don't wear it. I think the point is that the rank on the uniform will be in the same place as on the armor, so a private can figure out imediately if a stranger can really order him around.
much training given to our troops nowadays involves getting off aimed shots. in iraq, reporters are noting that they can always tell the difference between our troops and the insurgents by listening to the rifle fire. u.s. troops are noted by the steady crack-crack of aimed fire while the other guys cut loose with their ak's.
of course, there are exceptions to every rule. a brit i know saw a marine on tv empty to magazines in quick sucession. the brit told em that if *his* sergeant saw that, he would be up that marine's a$$ so fast, etc.
back on topic, i've seen the new uniforms. it's an improvement over the old ones, but it will take some getting used to. my first impression was that it looked like my grandmothers old kitchen, all pale green.
Have only seen the Canadian version of the "digital" uniform. The rank patch is quite hard to spot/make out until your about 6' away. But then, the rank flash and name tabs used by Canadian troops are much darker than what is shown above. It is the 1" by 2" red & white Canadian flag on the shoulders that really stand out. 
The Army's factsheet on the new uniform
https://peosoldier.army.mil/images/ACU_Factsheet.pdf
Also a video of a Colonel dmonstrating the new uniform and patrol cap (BIG download).
http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/2004/06/newacu.wmv
https://peosoldier.army.mil/images/ACU_Factsheet.pdf
Also a video of a Colonel dmonstrating the new uniform and patrol cap (BIG download).
http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/2004/06/newacu.wmv
Pictures of cammo are notoriously bad. So far the only pictures with natural vegetation and the new uniforms are horrible, and the picture with something like correct colors was taken under incadescent light.
When we can finally compare I suspect that CADPAT, MARPAT, and the new stuff (ARPAT?) will be pretty close in most terrain.
The USAF "smurfiflage" specifically excepted.
When we can finally compare I suspect that CADPAT, MARPAT, and the new stuff (ARPAT?) will be pretty close in most terrain.
The USAF "smurfiflage" specifically excepted.
Keklas Rekobah
SOC-14 1K
The rules of Uniform Design:
1) "Any uniform design must be uncomfortable."
2) "Every uniform, no matter how well tailored, must not fit properly."
3) "If a uniform being worn flatters the wearer's physique, then that wearer is out of uniform."
4) "Uniforms will be issued in one of two available sizes - 'Too Small' and 'Too Large'."
5) "Any given uniform item will be out of stock on the day of inspection." (Sgt. Murphy strikes again!)
1) "Any uniform design must be uncomfortable."
2) "Every uniform, no matter how well tailored, must not fit properly."
3) "If a uniform being worn flatters the wearer's physique, then that wearer is out of uniform."
4) "Uniforms will be issued in one of two available sizes - 'Too Small' and 'Too Large'."
5) "Any given uniform item will be out of stock on the day of inspection." (Sgt. Murphy strikes again!)
Scout Uniforms...
Lets see, Shorts, knee high wool socks with garters, colorful neckerchief, campaign hat…oops! That is the boy scouts…..
IMTU, an active duty scout gets a clothing allowance and access to the local Imperial Navy PX, where if s/he is smart spends their money on durable duty uniforms for what ever environment they are likely to encounter on the next several foreseeable missions. Thus the scout costume will consist of a broad array of military and civilian items, chosen on the basis of utility and personal style.
Scout service specific uniforms? I wouldn’t think it likely except for the occasional IISS windbreaker or cap, the kind of things the Secret Service or FBI might have when service identification is necessary. More likely The scout will have an IISS ball cap he received as a 5-year service award, that he wears when repainting the airlocks.
The exception, I think would be larger scout vessels and the X-boat service. The larger the scout vessel the more uniform a dress code will be demanded by the captain, but will definitely vary from ship to ship. For X-Boat service, I think the uniform trends will be similar to UPS or FedEx for all members. X-boat pilots, who are constantly on the move and changing vessels, will likely keep their kit to a minimum, and use uniforms for daily use and keep their civvies fresh for going on leave.
Dress uniforms? Not a chance. At most, I there would be an official IISS blazer, worn mostly by elderly veteran scouts at reunions.
As far as wearing the fitted vacuum suit as a duty uniform? I think it unlikely. Considering the cost of the garment, you wouldn’t want to damage it while doing a mundane task. Who says you’ll have time to repair it between now and when you’ll really need it? I would think you only don it when in imminent threat of being exposed to vacuum or hazardous atmosphere.
That being the case, I would think that scouts would prefer vacuum suits that could be worn over their usual attire, more bulky, but more convenient.
Lets see, Shorts, knee high wool socks with garters, colorful neckerchief, campaign hat…oops! That is the boy scouts…..
IMTU, an active duty scout gets a clothing allowance and access to the local Imperial Navy PX, where if s/he is smart spends their money on durable duty uniforms for what ever environment they are likely to encounter on the next several foreseeable missions. Thus the scout costume will consist of a broad array of military and civilian items, chosen on the basis of utility and personal style.
Scout service specific uniforms? I wouldn’t think it likely except for the occasional IISS windbreaker or cap, the kind of things the Secret Service or FBI might have when service identification is necessary. More likely The scout will have an IISS ball cap he received as a 5-year service award, that he wears when repainting the airlocks.
The exception, I think would be larger scout vessels and the X-boat service. The larger the scout vessel the more uniform a dress code will be demanded by the captain, but will definitely vary from ship to ship. For X-Boat service, I think the uniform trends will be similar to UPS or FedEx for all members. X-boat pilots, who are constantly on the move and changing vessels, will likely keep their kit to a minimum, and use uniforms for daily use and keep their civvies fresh for going on leave.
Dress uniforms? Not a chance. At most, I there would be an official IISS blazer, worn mostly by elderly veteran scouts at reunions.
As far as wearing the fitted vacuum suit as a duty uniform? I think it unlikely. Considering the cost of the garment, you wouldn’t want to damage it while doing a mundane task. Who says you’ll have time to repair it between now and when you’ll really need it? I would think you only don it when in imminent threat of being exposed to vacuum or hazardous atmosphere.
That being the case, I would think that scouts would prefer vacuum suits that could be worn over their usual attire, more bulky, but more convenient.
cougashika
SOC-5
Scouts IMTU also dress eclectically with one exception: buckskins/leathers. either as a jacket, trousers/chaps, or boots. Heaven help the whuffo (non-scout)who is wearing bucks.
Only once that I know of. In one episode of Babylon 5 you see Sheridan and Garibaldi in the mens room.
IMTU, the Solar Triumvirate uniforms are pretty traditional. Ofcourse, duty uniforms are functional enough for the 2400's battlefield: Infantry troops wear their Arachsynth Combat Environment Suits and full helmets (with vision, hearing and comm aids installed and a microcomp displaying info and maps on the visor, ofcourse). For Marines who train in Combat Armor, this is also their Dress Uniform.
However, the dress uniforms of most units follow the centuries-old buttoned style, drawing on both the British/Israeli, Japanese and Russian styles. Tradition is a strong force in the Triumvirate; most units have an old-terra "origin", even if this "origin" was 400 years old (and almost 200 of them are the total chaos of the Stagnation).
In the Serpentis Quadrant Alliance, on the other hand, the Triumvirate traditions are usually viewed as anathema; Pomp and ritual are scorned as pointless, reactionary trappings. The Alliance uniforms are simple and utalitarian, usually consisting of long, multi-pocketed high-durability BDU pants, colored in a camoflage pattern (which could be changed by a simple integral controller to whatever camoflage pattern appropriate), and a T-shirt, usually black or red colored (unless you change it to camo, which is easy - TL8+ cloth could change pattern with the touch of a button), with the unit's insignia printed in front and the Alliance symbol printed behind. Duty uniform adds a multi-pocketed vest over the T-shirt; longer, cold-weather clothes are also available. Each crew member wears either a bandana, a scarf, a shawl or a head kerchief - whichever they choose, all are pretty fashionable in the Alliance - usually showing the unit's unofficial logo.
Alliance ranks are shoulder-mounted plates (think Israeli or Russian style) and are worn on shoulder-straps (is this the term?) on the soldier's vest.
All Alliance services use similar uniforms (with different symbols/logos), with the Marines being the most strict about dress code and the Scouts usually wearing whatever is comfortable and suitable for their mission unless they are on parade.
Both navies (and the Consortium navy as well) use color to designate their Vacc-suits.
However, the dress uniforms of most units follow the centuries-old buttoned style, drawing on both the British/Israeli, Japanese and Russian styles. Tradition is a strong force in the Triumvirate; most units have an old-terra "origin", even if this "origin" was 400 years old (and almost 200 of them are the total chaos of the Stagnation).
In the Serpentis Quadrant Alliance, on the other hand, the Triumvirate traditions are usually viewed as anathema; Pomp and ritual are scorned as pointless, reactionary trappings. The Alliance uniforms are simple and utalitarian, usually consisting of long, multi-pocketed high-durability BDU pants, colored in a camoflage pattern (which could be changed by a simple integral controller to whatever camoflage pattern appropriate), and a T-shirt, usually black or red colored (unless you change it to camo, which is easy - TL8+ cloth could change pattern with the touch of a button), with the unit's insignia printed in front and the Alliance symbol printed behind. Duty uniform adds a multi-pocketed vest over the T-shirt; longer, cold-weather clothes are also available. Each crew member wears either a bandana, a scarf, a shawl or a head kerchief - whichever they choose, all are pretty fashionable in the Alliance - usually showing the unit's unofficial logo.
Alliance ranks are shoulder-mounted plates (think Israeli or Russian style) and are worn on shoulder-straps (is this the term?) on the soldier's vest.
All Alliance services use similar uniforms (with different symbols/logos), with the Marines being the most strict about dress code and the Scouts usually wearing whatever is comfortable and suitable for their mission unless they are on parade.
Both navies (and the Consortium navy as well) use color to designate their Vacc-suits.
Only once that I know of. In one episode of Babylon 5 you see Sheridan and Garibaldi in the mens room.
